(2019-09-12, 08:07 PM)fls Wrote: My point was that clearly they can't always cover it up, given that there are too many news stories about the malfeasance of police officers and police departments. So it doesn't work as some kind of blanket excuse as to why a particular story is or is not making the rounds. Rather, actual evidence would need to be presented (to someone who isn't a conspiracy theorist).
The hilarious thing is how right you are. Its not even that that can't often cover it up, they can't even usually cover it up. Certainly not without making it look like a cover up. That's what makes it so annoying when people act like its crazy because, seriously, have they never looked in a history book? This stuff constantly happens.
For a good example of what you're talking about with presenting actual evidence, and how that unfortunately isn't as persuasive as you'd think it would be. I'd recommend checking out Richard Gage and the Architechs and Engineers for 9/11 Truth organization. I'm gonna simplify his story here but he didn't get into it because he was a conspiracy theorist, he got into it because when he heard the official reason why building 7, a 47 story skyscraper, collapsed, at freefall velocity, into its own footprint, was ordinary office fires as NIST(I think it was) had reported, he was amazed because no skyscraper, ever, anywhere,has ever suffered such a catastrophic structural failure from mere office fires before. So if that' really what happened, that building should be the single most studied civil engineering disaster of all time. But that's not what was happening, it was barely talked about at all even within his own industry who would normally have been informed of all this. So he did his own looking and found a whole lot of problems with the official narrative of what happened in all three collapses.
Eventually founded AE911, which is now 3000+ members strong constituting something in the area of 25, 000+ years of experience on building design, construction and collapse. You'd think with that amount of professionals in the field having problems with the official narrative and putting together some incredibly good work on it demonstrating the issues, the narrative would've already changed. But, it hasn't. It's just too unbelievable to too many people. And a lot of it, according to him, is that other engineers haven't been informed of the actual data of the official studies as would normally happen for any situation like this in that industry. But whenever they are they often join his side or shut up for fear of losing their job. Or they say, "Well, that's persuavsive, but someone would've talked"... which many actually have... Often resulting in the destruction of their lives and careers. Sometimes quite literally ending up mysteriously and suspiciously dead one day.
Quote:Look, I don't doubt that people conspire to commit crimes and cover them up to the best of their ability. Nor do I doubt that people with power and influence have a further reach than those without. Nor do I doubt that there is all sorts of behind-the-scenes collusion/manipulation/coercion among some leaders of industry and politics. What I doubt is that the conspiracy theory movement has validly identified any of that, except perhaps by accident. I don't know of an example where a nefarious plot was uncovered, not by getting the attention of those who are most interested/involved in uncovering crimes, but by amateurs taking it to the street. For example, you mention Russell Tice as though there hadn't been coverage of his claims in the mainstream media (e.g. New York Times, ABC news).
Linda
But that's the thing, the conspiracy movement ARE the ones exposing it, because the mainstream doesn't go near it. It was random people on the streets with cellphone cameras capturing the videos that became primary source evidence of what was going on in things like the Baltimore Riots. It was random people who would go up to the police who were just standing there letting all this happen and asking them "hey guys, why aren't you breaking all this up?" And one officer offhandedly and sarcastically responded more to himself "You should ask the police chief that" in a tone that highly suggested that he was wondering the exact same thing. And this scenario, of police just letting riots go on like this happened multiple times with other bits of evidence coming out that strongly pointed to the idea that the police were ordered to stand down and let the destruction happen and be complicit in it. It wasn't the mainstream that was capturing those on the ground, in the thick of it, highly important pieces of evidence. It was average people. And because of that it was very easy to debunk a lot of the mainstream reporting on these events, because there was video evidence directly refuting it from multipe angles in many cases. Thus demonstrating mainstream bias and trying to construct a false narrative of what was going on.
There's no practical way for me to show you all of this evidence because there's just too much of it in too many different places. but at the time there were youtubers like Sargon of Akkad(before he went kinda crazy) who did a very good job compiling all of these things together while also sourcing them for people to see. It was through their efforts that people learned what was really happening on the ground in these cases and why its now known as a sort of mundane fact that a lot of it was very engineered or at least allowed to occur in order to justify other moves in the government and universities. In fact, at one time, he as a single person was pulling in more traffic that the entirety of the Washington Post. And it became rather clear that they really didn't like that. Especially since he and others were routinely showing them up for their poor journalistic integrity.
This is why the fake news paradigm came to be. This is why trust in mainstream media has dropped like a stone. People got to see the obvious, blatant lies, corruption and favoritism. All the attempts to manipulate public opinion and push society in a certain direction for the benefit of the rich and powerful and their bought and paid for government pawns. This is why all these companies and agencies are seeking to crack down on the internet. Google's medic algorithm stuff is guaranteed to be part of that, as it fits the patterns found in all the other cases.
Seriously, if he still has those videos up, go back to his stuff from between around 2013-2016, especially his, "This Week In Stupid" series. It was pretty insane. Likewise TL;DR, Vernaculus, Computing Forever, Naked Ape, as just a few that I can think of off the top of my head that were covering some of this stuff around the same time. Though some did it better than others.
Quote:Fortunately(?), within my areas of expertise, there live a number of conspiracy theories so I can evaluate how well these techniques perform. Corbett gets them wrong. Not only that, but he fails to identify the valid and legitimate conspiracies within those fields. That is why I identify him as unreliable.
So in the end, if what we are interested in is the truth, what are we loosing if valid and reliable information is slightly more accessible to us than misinformation?
Email him about it, he'd probably be really grateful. At least if you can give him some actual evidence suporting it and not just "well I know a lot about it and you're wrong." You'd probably end up helping quite a lot.
"The cure for bad information is more information."