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Very interesting discussion.

This was quite interesting though as always I find it difficult to grasp the arguments for/against.

With Cosmic Fine Tuning there seems to be agreement on the very small range universal constants can assume before human life among other things would not be possible. So we can accept, to some degree, that the argument's focus is on how to interpret this very thin margin.

With Intelligent Design it continuously feels like I would need to get, at minimum, a bachelor's degree in biology to even begin to assess the topic.
(2024-04-30, 05:00 PM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: [ -> ]This was quite interesting though as always I find it difficult to grasp the arguments for/against.

With Cosmic Fine Tuning there seems to be agreement on the very small range universal constants can assume before human life among other things would not be possible. So we can accept, to some degree, that the argument's focus is on how to interpret this very thin margin.

With Intelligent Design it continuously feels like I would need to get, at minimum, a bachelor's degree in biology to even begin to assess the topic.

It's over my head in many ways too.  As a Christian, I believe in intelligent design but when you ask the same questions about the existence of God as you ask about the existence of humans, you end up in an impossible place - or at least I do.  Only by faith can we believe either that there is a God, or that there isn't one.
(2024-04-30, 05:00 PM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: [ -> ]With Intelligent Design it continuously feels like I would need to get, at minimum, a bachelor's degree in biology to even begin to assess the topic.

I feel the same. I have tried to get into it a few times, also reading the arguments of some christian biologists who disagree with the Discovery Institute (just to get some different perspectives) but it quickly gets very technical.
(2024-04-30, 07:37 PM)sbu Wrote: [ -> ]I feel the same. I have tried to get into it a few times, also reading the arguments of some christian biologists who disagree with the Discovery Institute (just to get some different perspectives) but it quickly gets very technical.

I am going to try and give it another go but yeah I feel like there is great difficulty in trying to grasp the actual question without great expertise.

Even among QM interpretations, physicists like to appeal to the public on the basic idea of their theory which non-physicists can judge. For example I disagree with Rovelli that you can relations without relata, OTOH I agree with him that we should accept the evidence of actual indeterminism.

With ID where does one start? It seems that one must begin at the question of Information itself, and then slowly try to build a path to asking about specific kinds of Information....