(2017-09-29, 03:39 PM)Vortex Wrote: [ -> ]What about psychic healing and clinical parapsychology? It is very definitely an acceptable topic here on Psience Quest, yet, if you ask psi skeptics, they'll tell you that it is dangerous since it turns people away from mainstream medicine and thus ruins their health and life. (They will be even more enraged in case of homeopathy, and any other alternative therapy.) Should we reject discussion of the psychic healing and clinical parapsychology because psi skeptics are certain that they are dangerous?
In fact, all medical debates are dedicated to dangerous - oftentimes even lethally dangerous - topics. If one would forbid the discussion of medical opinions and options that are dangerous, one would forbid all of them, since all of them involve danger - especially if they are mistaken and misguided.
But how can we decide what medical opinions and options are mistaken and misguided, and therefore most dangerous of all? Only by an open debate. There is no way to escape it.
This thread is mindbogglingly frustrating...
I don't see anyone saying we shouldn't have the AIDs/HIV interview, just not on the main interview forum.
Yes- one or more people have a real issue with the potential content, but most (me for example) are objecting on ground that it isn't directly related to psi.
We address both of those areas of concern by putting in a different sub forum. OK. Problem solved...
So now you are trying fight the battle over AIDs treatment falsehood and comparing to other "dangerous" medical topics, out of what, simple conversational curiosity? Or are you trying to choose a "test case" of a topic that is both psi and possibly dangerous to see how we wound handle that hypothetical situation? Is that the point here?
(2017-09-29, 03:39 PM)Vortex Wrote: [ -> ]But how can we decide what medical opinions and options are mistaken and misguided, and therefore most dangerous of all? Only by an open debate. There is no way to escape it.
Huh? How is "open debate" amongst a group of people who have little knowledge or experience in the area under discussion going to be at all useful? That's how this dangerous nonsense is promulgated - by catering to people's conceit that they can weigh the evidence for themselves.
Obiwan asked you a good question earlier - why should we be interested in this guy's opinion? In those areas where his opinion has been judged, it has been found to be worthless (or worse - scientific misconduct).
Linda
(2017-09-29, 05:33 PM)fls Wrote: [ -> ]Huh? How is "open debate" amongst a group of people who have little knowledge or experience in the area under discussion going to be at all useful? That's how this dangerous nonsense is promulgated - by catering to people's conceit that they can weigh the evidence for themselves.
Obiwan asked you a good question earlier - why should we be interested in this guy's opinion? In those areas where his opinion has been judged, it has been found to be worthless (or worse - scientific misconduct).
Linda
Using this as a basis, we might as well all fuck off home!
(2017-09-29, 05:37 PM)Stan Woolley Wrote: [ -> ]Using this as a basis, we might as well all fuck off home!
Really? Are you suggesting that all we talk about here is down to ignorance and susceptibility to ill-considered opinions?
I happen to think we can do better than that.
Linda
Just to add... Bauer is one of the founders and leaders of the Society of Scientific Exploration, and has done a great deal to support the research in all controversial areas, including parapsychology.
I think most psi researchers worked with the Society of the Scientific Exploration one way or another. Thus, they worked with Bauer as well (at least indirectly). I suspect many of them consider him as a respectable peer and a good comrade in their anomalous studies. Does it make them "tainted" somehow?
On this, I leave this topic until the interview is ready.
(2017-09-29, 06:38 PM)Vortex Wrote: [ -> ]Just to add... Bauer is one of the founders and leaders of the Society of Scientific Exploration, and has done a great deal to support the research in all controversial areas, including parapsychology.
I think most psi researchers worked with the Society of the Scientific Exploration one way or another. Thus, they worked with Bauer as well (at least indirectly). I suspect many of them consider him as a respectable peer and a good comrade in their anomalous studies. Does it make them "tainted" somehow?
On this, I leave this topic until the interview is ready.
He doesn’t seem to be listed in any senior position - do you mean he was a founder member? If not, why doesn’t he appear? Do you know?
(2017-09-29, 07:00 PM)Obiwan Wrote: [ -> ]He doesn’t seem to be listed in any senior position - do you mean he was a founder member? If not, why doesn’t he appear? Do you know?
He was one of the founders and Editor-in-Cheif of the Journal of the Scientific Exploration (JSE) for some time.
Nowadays, he gave up his administrative positions, yet he is still active as an author, publishing reviewes of books, papers in the JSE and articles in Edge Science.
(2017-09-29, 02:50 PM)Laird Wrote: [ -> ]Ian suggested in post #142 that you could publish the interview in either Alternative Views on Science or Other Stuff. That's fine with me, and I'd suggest (but feel free to choose the other) that Alternative Views on Science is the better of the two - not that I consider myself the final word on this, so I hope that folks, especially founding members, and especially Ian, will show either by liking this post or responding favourably to it that they agree... or simply by not objecting to it!
That's my opinion too, and I'm completely fine with that.
If the topic had been the HIV-AIDS theory, I think it would have been better suited to CT. But let's not even discuss that unless we want to continue these meta conversations going on until the end of time
- Vortex's interview as he's described it can perfectly go into Alt Views on Science.
(2017-09-29, 03:39 PM)Vortex Wrote: [ -> ]Should we reject discussion of the psychic healing and clinical parapsychology because psi skeptics are certain that they are dangerous?
Psychic healing would fit Psience Quest Interviews, as I think I've said already - clinical parapsychology probably also, but I don't really know anything about it. I'm gathering it has to to do with paranormal experiences, then in my view it would fit.