(2017-09-25, 06:13 PM)chuck Wrote: [ -> ]As I tried to explain more fully in the post just previous, I don't really think every single human incarnation impulse or soul lasts through eternity. I think in some cases the energy embodied in that soul is reabsorbed like leaves or a fallen branch nourishes the very tree they came from. Not lost, just re-distibuted into the system.
Are
You immortal? The unique You? Do You expire?
(2017-09-25, 05:59 PM)Pssst Wrote: [ -> ]I am very certain my sources for information are accurate, very simply, when you follow the conversations with extraterrestrials you are given everything you need to best run the course of this Life. When these concepts are applied, they work 100% of the time and with 100% effectiveness. But that is for you to query and your choice to know exactly what I do.
As kooky as this sounds I don't disagree with you. But I still think your knowledge is relative to this particular system of life. It's like you left Plato's cave and you have all the answers. But my gut is that reality is like a matryoshka doll. You're still inside another cave. And when you see outside that cave...Another cave.
(2017-09-25, 06:18 PM)Pssst Wrote: [ -> ]Are You immortal? The unique You? Do You expire?
I believe that some part of my energy is eternal. But that has very little to do with this personality as most people think of it. I think the "self" is an illusion of psychology.
(2017-09-25, 06:20 PM)chuck Wrote: [ -> ]As kooky as this sounds I don't disagree with you. But I still think your knowledge is relative to this particular system of life. It's like you left Plato's cave and you have all the answers. But my gut is that reality is like a matryoshka doll. You're still inside another cave. And when you see outside that cave...Another cave.
Obviously, I don't have all the answers otherwise I wouldn't be here on Earth. It would be pointless and Creation doesn't do anything that is pointless.
What I do have are very simple set of rules and mostly only one focus. With a simple foundation on which to live, learning becomes automagickal. On a PM with Member, I told him everything he or I need to understand could all be written on the front of an 8"x11" piece of paper.
(2017-09-25, 06:25 PM)chuck Wrote: [ -> ]I believe that some part of my energy is eternal. But that has very little to do with this personality as most people think of it. I think the "self" is an illusion of psychology.
I read somewhere that the word ‘personality’ originates from the idea of a mask. In that sense, it sounds like you may be onto something - your personality is perhaps the mask worn by something more permanent.
(2017-09-25, 06:37 PM)Obiwan Wrote: [ -> ]I read somewhere that the word ‘personality’ originates from the idea of a mask. In that sense, it sounds like you may be onto something - your personality is perhaps the mask worn by something more permanent.
One of the modern non-dual gurus has an interesting inquiry. It is on youtube, but I can't remember the name of the guru or the inquiry.
It is simple but very powerful. You simply inquire about all the parts of you and ask, "Is that you?"
Your name? Is that really you. The real you? Your hair color? Your wealth? Your temperament? Take each sliver of what people define as themselves and ask your self deeply and fully if that attribute is the real you.
At the end there isn't a whole lot left. Most of it is just a story you have constructed in order to prop up your ego. It's not really an inquiry that you do with any seriousness if you don't want to disrupt your sense of self fairly deeply.
I believe that is why so many gurus seem divorced from their original identity. They come to realize that there is nothing there. They are an "actor on the stage."
But at the end there is something left. So they say anyway.
(2017-09-25, 06:53 PM)chuck Wrote: [ -> ]One of the modern non-dual gurus has an interesting inquiry. It is on youtube, but I can't remember the name of the guru or the inquiry.
It is simple but very powerful. You simply inquire about all the parts of you and ask, "Is that you?"
Your name? Is that really you. The real you? Your hair color? Your wealth? Your temperament? Take each sliver of what people define as themselves and ask your self deeply and fully if that attribute is the real you.
At the end there isn't a whole lot left. Most of it is just a story you have constructed in order to prop up your ego. It's not really an inquiry that you do with any seriousness if you don't want to disrupt your sense of self fairly deeply.
I believe that is why so many gurus seem divorced from their original identity. They come to realize that there is nothing there. They are an "actor on the stage."
But at the end there is something left. So they say anyway.
Hm not sure. Sounds like the kind of thing I could do with my car’s engine or a cheeseburger
(2017-09-25, 06:58 PM)Obiwan Wrote: [ -> ]Hm not sure. Sounds like the kind of thing I could do with my car’s engine or a cheeseburger
Right. Like a zen koan. What is the sound of one cheeseburger with no cheese.
(2017-08-30, 02:37 PM)chuck Wrote: [ -> ]I do think there is a difference between the two--OBEs and lucid dreams. But I don't think that you can necessarily bring back verifiable information simply because you went out of the body.
Simply "getting out of the body" is a huge hurdle for 99% of people, I think. Being able to do it at will and go where one wants and bring back information--those kinds of ideas come from people who really haven't read a lot of literature on the OBE or haven't tried very hard to become a practitioner. Even the most experienced practitioners don't have complete control once they are out of the body.
(I use the phrase "getting out of the body" as a metaphor. I don't really think anything is "leaving the body" per se.)
The type of OBE I am talking about is a consciously induced OBE. You go from being conscious, most likely into a vibrational state, and then into a process where the "astral" body separates completely from the physical. This is distinctly different from lucid dreaming.
It may be the case that one can end up in the same non-physical territories in certain OBEs and lucid dreams, but the path to get there is radically different.
So what do you think Graham Nicholls or the various people at the Monroe Institute are doing?
Aren't there two utterly different questions here:
1) Do OBE's happen as advertised?
2) Are they safe?
David
(2017-10-05, 03:41 PM)DaveB Wrote: [ -> ]So what do you think Graham Nicholls or the various people at the Monroe Institute are doing?
Aren't there two utterly different questions here:
1) Do OBE's happen as advertised?
2) Are they safe?
David
Well there is no doubt on number 1. It's far too common an experience to dispute. What can be discussed it what exactly is occurring when you "leave the body." I expect the answer is close to "There is really no body to leave. Consciousness is a fundamental element of reality and the OBE is some kind of separation of the "mind" from the body, which is really an illusion, like all matter." Is the mind an illusion is a valid question.
Number 2. I don't know. We know there are entities with ill intent. Is it always possible to protect oneself adequately? Some says yes, some say no.