(2017-09-01, 10:14 PM)Pssst Wrote: [ -> ]This so-called 'byproduct' is exactly what you are here for. The process. Build the house then live in it. Why remove yourself from the most important experiences by labeling them otherwise? If you choose to have the experience of invalidating the process, go right ahead but your missing the entire boat-point in doing so.
Unless, of course, the whole point of your existence in physical reality is to miss the boat.
Everything you say makes sense within your current framework. But I do think that Castaneda's idea that one really needs to be a "warrior" to avoid being absorbed into the abyss following death, or as he said being eaten by the great Eagle makes some sense. I'm not convinced we are all eternal indestructible souls. I guess as you have hinted, these selves could simply be one small part of a larger oversoul. I'm probably just over-thinking the whole thing. But I no longer feel as certain about my metaphysics as I used to. You seem very certain and that makes me wary.
(2017-09-02, 01:33 AM)chuck Wrote: [ -> ]Everything you say makes sense within your current framework. But I do think that Castaneda's idea that one really needs to be a "warrior" to avoid being absorbed into the abyss following death, or as he said being eaten by the great Eagle makes some sense. I'm not convinced we are all eternal indestructible souls. I guess as you have hinted, these selves could simply be one small part of a larger oversoul. I'm probably just over-thinking the whole thing. But I no longer feel as certain about my metaphysics as I used to. You seem very certain and that makes me wary.
Knowledge is not elitism.
(2017-09-02, 12:12 PM)Brian Wrote: [ -> ]I think you miss the boat when the by products of building are more important to you than the house.
You learn little by living in the house, about the house, and most everything when you build it. If you will excuse me, I am going to grill me up some burgers, enjoying the process of doing so, but I hear the McDonald's out your way has extended their closing hours.
(2017-09-10, 07:19 PM)Brian Wrote: [ -> ]Ah, "It is good to have an end to journey towards but it is the journey that matters in the end" (Ursula K LeGuin)
I kind of see that point but with regards spirituality, surely the learning is only to help you towards the goal?
What do you mean by spirituality and what could be the goal in your view?
(2017-09-02, 01:33 AM)chuck Wrote: [ -> ]Everything you say makes sense within your current framework. But I do think that Castaneda's idea that one really needs to be a "warrior" to avoid being absorbed into the abyss following death, or as he said being eaten by the great Eagle makes some sense. I'm not convinced we are all eternal indestructible souls. I guess as you have hinted, these selves could simply be one small part of a larger oversoul. I'm probably just over-thinking the whole thing. But I no longer feel as certain about my metaphysics as I used to. You seem very certain and that makes me wary.
i tend to agree with this. In the purported channeled work from the deceased Frederick Myers, he makes a similar point - that immortality is not a given and must be earned. Could be two different ways of describing a process neither could really understand.
(2017-09-02, 01:33 AM)Pssst Wrote: This so-called \byproduct' is exactly what you are here for. The process. Build the house then live in it. Why remove yourself from the most important experiences by labeling them otherwise? If you choose to have the experience of invalidating the process, go right ahead but your missing the entire boat-point in doing so. Wrote: [ -> ]Unless, of course, the whole point of your existence in physical reality is to miss the boat.
chuck
Everything you say makes sense within your current framework. But I do think that Castaneda's idea that one really needs to be a "warrior" to avoid being absorbed into the abyss following death, or as he said being eaten by the great Eagle makes some sense. I'm not convinced we are all eternal indestructible souls. I guess as you have hinted, these selves could simply be one small part of a larger oversoul. I'm probably just over-thinking the whole thing. But I no longer feel as certain about my metaphysics as I used to. You seem very certain and that makes me wary.
I am very certain my sources for information are accurate, very simply, when you follow the conversations with extraterrestrials you are given everything you need to best run the course of this Life. When these concepts are applied, they work 100% of the time and with 100% effectiveness. But that is for you to query and your choice to know exactly what I do.
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bolded above is the fundamental difference I have with most ppl and why I spend little to no time attempting to convince, or supply proof (whatever that might be) and 'evidence'.
I have seen the term 'arrogant' thrown around in my direction, not necessarily from you, chuck, but since I have you captured in this reply, the most arrogant expression I know is one where a being denies that they exist, that they will always exist, that there is nothing you can do about this fact, and it is truly arrogant to argue with Creation over your existence.
(2017-09-25, 05:43 PM)Ricochet Wrote: [ -> ]i tend to agree with this. In the purported channeled work from the deceased Frederick Myers, he makes a similar point - that immortality is not a given and must be earned. Could be two different ways of describing a process neither could really understand.
Yeah. I tend to think that our ultimate "energy" is likely indestructible. But I can imagine the over-soul idea as a kind of tree. The over-soul might spawn any number of incarnations. And for some of those incarnations, the initial impulse might have been particularly clear and good. The incarnation "grew" in a positive way. So the original impulse is continued and the original impulse combined with the energies of the past incarnation are given a new incarnation. That limb is allowed to grow and perhaps it becomes quite strong and in time it may even grow to define the tree--it may become one the main branches.
But many impulses to life probably don't amount to much. They may be rotten or diseased, or their overall nature may not harmonize with the over-soul in the way that is pleasing. That impulse can be let go.
I like to think that these over-souls may each be unique. Musically one may be a string quartet and another may be the Sex Pistols album. Visually, one may be a huge oak tip to roots, while another may be a perfect black marble. These over-souls are likely just one layer in a fractal chain of being.
(2017-09-25, 05:59 PM)Pssst Wrote: [ -> ]I am very certain my sources for information are accurate, very simply, when you follow the conversations with extraterrestrials you are given everything you need to best run the course of this Life. When these concepts are applied, they work 100% of the time and with 100% effectiveness. But that is for you to query and your choice to know exactly what I do.
The bolded above is the fundamental difference I have with most ppl and why I spend little to no time attempting to convince, or supply proof (whatever that might be) and 'evidence'.
I have seen the term 'arrogant' thrown around in my direction, not necessarily from you, chuck, but since I have you captured in this reply, the most arrogant expression I know is one where a being denies that they exist, that they will always exist, that there is nothing you can do about this fact, and it is truly arrogant to argue with Creation over your existence.
As I tried to explain more fully in the post just previous, I don't really think every single human incarnation impulse or soul lasts through eternity. I think in some cases the energy embodied in that soul is reabsorbed like leaves or a fallen branch nourishes the very tree they came from. Not lost, just re-distibuted into the system.
(2017-09-25, 05:43 PM)Ricochet Wrote: [ -> ]i tend to agree with this. In the purported channeled work from the deceased Frederick Myers, he makes a similar point - that immortality is not a given and must be earned. Could be two different ways of describing a process neither could really understand.
You have that right, neither understood.
Earning what is rightfully yours, this is amusing and inherently futile. "Earn" indicates a judgment must be made (by whom, what?) based on (what?) criteria and wherein was this criteria judged as accurate (and by whom?)? And on and on...immortally.