(2022-01-22, 06:51 PM)David001 Wrote: [ -> ]Ninshub,
Reflecting on my time moderating Keptiko, I would say that if you want to rule a subject as not suitable for this forum, you should do so explicitly - not try to restrict posting in arbitrary ways.
So in particular, if you don't want COVID to be discussed, you should say so, and maybe give a reason for that decision. I do appreciate that moderating is hard, but at least you don't have Alex who didn't always back me up!
I wondered how long it would take you to start interfering in the moderation process and questioning decisions. The wise and experienced old-timer? Or the one who handed out bans like confetti which led, in part, to the founding of this forum and here you are again.
(2022-01-20, 08:15 PM)Kamarling Wrote: [ -> ]Firstly, and importantly, I am not commenting as a moderator or administrator because I am neither (nor ever have been). I only comment on the moderation policies just like everyone else is entitled to do although I am one of a group of founder members which means I can communicate in private with other founders.
In that case I think it’s time we made things a bit more transparent, clarify exactly your position, because it seems to me like you’re being
deceitful here.
Is it true that you were party to a private discussion between four founder members in which decisions were made concerning me? If so that is definitely playing the part of an admin or moderator in my opinion!
David001 is a member here, so is
entitled to give his viewpoint. Free speech seems extremely low on your list of priorities to me! Where’s Ian now, to keep
you in line? What happened to ‘play the ball, not the man’ ?
Make a choice, either you are an admin, or you’re not! You appear to want it both ways!
(2022-01-22, 06:51 PM)David001 Wrote: [ -> ]Ninshub,
I would say that if you want to rule a subject as not suitable for this forum, you should do so explicitly - not try to restrict posting in arbitrary ways.
Restricting posting has not been done in arbitrary ways. If you think this has been the case, please argue the point more precisely.
Bringing up content outside the opt-in forums that belongs to them - of which this thread is a part (that is, outside the opt-in forums) - is not allowed, per the forum rules. That applies to whatever the specific topic is.
(2022-01-21, 07:40 PM)Stan Woolley Wrote: [ -> ]Where else can I talk about the moderation of the subject which has been the basis of bias against me?
You have not been restricted in talking about moderation in this thread. The part of your post that was excised was a part where you were going into specific details of content that is reserved for the opt-in forums.
(2022-01-21, 07:40 PM)Stan Woolley Wrote: [ -> ]That you have taken it upon yourself to act as judge, jury and executioner where my posts only are concerned is nothing short of bullying, authoritative
Perhaps you could let me know where this has taken place, apart from this instance. (The other, very few instances involved what I judged - and yes judging is inherent to the moderator's role - to be verbally abusive behavior and inappropriate personally-directed/revealing content. The bannings to which you have been subjected have been because of verbal abuse). The reason I did not excise any of Kamarling's posts in this same thread was that he didn't go into more specifics regarding opt-in forum content. If I've misread that, point me to the relevant post and I'll excise that as well.
(2022-01-22, 09:21 PM)Ninshub Wrote: [ -> ] The reason I did not excise any of Kamarling's posts in this same thread was that he didn't go into more specifics regarding opt-in forum content. If I've misread that, point me to the relevant post and I'll excise that as well.
It is often tempting to respond to provocative posts and I have done so in the past, perhaps where the subject matter should be restricted to the opt-in sections. If so, then you are more than welcome to delete my posts or portions thereof.
With regard to the discussion on mederation, to accuse you of bullying is more than overstatement, it is just not true. Moderation on this forum, whether by you or Laird, has been - well - moderate (if not lax). As I mentioned above, moderation on Skeptiko tended towards the severe, especially if posts were critical of Alex or the other moderators. It is not unreasonable to apply the rules of this forum when those rules have been devised to prevent this forum from following the Skeptiko example. Remember that this forum was created because Skeptiko became just another angry conspiracy quagmire.
If the time has come when the opt-in section has become more active than the main forum, then perhaps it is time to call it a day. I don't go there so I can't assess whether that is the case but my impression is that if it were not for Sciborg and a couple of others, this forum would already be dead.
(2022-01-23, 04:17 AM)Kamarling Wrote: [ -> ]Remember that this forum was created because Skeptiko became just another angry conspiracy quagmire.
Yes, I remember it very well Dave.
Openness and transparency and free speech were the order of the day.
(2022-01-23, 04:17 AM)Kamarling Wrote: [ -> ]If the time has come when the opt-in section has become more active than the main forum, then perhaps it is time to call it a day. I don't go there so I can't assess whether that is the case but my impression is that if it were not for Sciborg and a couple of others, this forum would already be dead.
It hasn’t become more active than the main forum.
If it wasn’t for your pathetic whining about anti-vaxers (which is allowed to remain on the open forum btw) conspiracy theorists and other ‘controversial’ topics then I possibly wouldn’t be drawn to your posts in this part of the forum and much of this could have been averted. How much of my posting on the opt in forums is the result of my frustration with people like you, who are so dogmatic about certain topics that you put the likes of Krauss, Woerlee and other materialists in the shade.
(2022-01-22, 08:42 PM)Ninshub Wrote: [ -> ]Restricting posting has not been done in arbitrary ways. If you think this has been the case, please argue the point more precisely.
Well I heard a rumour that you were restricting people in the off-topic part of the forum from posting more than 3 times per week. I begin to think that rumour isn't true, so I will withdraw that comment.
Quote:Bringing up content outside the opt-in forums that belongs to them - of which this thread is a part (that is, outside the opt-in forums) - is not allowed, per the forum rules. That applies to whatever the specific topic is.
My main problem with this forum is that it is too damn quiet. Most conversations seem to go dead almost at once. I wish we could get some of the excitement back. One reason to permit some off-topic conversations is because ultimately the material and non-material realms overlap.
For example, this is what a remarkable (though erratic) psychic, Sylvia Browne, wrote in 2008 about what we now know as COVID:
Quote:In around 2020 a severe pneumonia-like illness will spread throughout the globe, attacking the lungs and the bronchial tubes and resisting all known treatments. Almost more baffling than the illness itself will be the fact that it will suddenly vanish as quickly as it arrived, attack again ten years later, and then disappear completely.
Seen from certain countries, it seems likely that every part of that prediction will turn out to be correct, with the exception of the prediction for 2030, of course, which must wait another 10 years.
(2022-01-22, 08:46 PM)Ninshub Wrote: [ -> ]You have not been restricted in talking about moderation in this thread. The part of your post that was excised was a part where you were going into specific details of content that is reserved for the opt-in forums.
If I think Co#@d or Va*”/es are subjects which provoke certain unusually strong emotions which may well have affected the way moderation is done here, but I am not allowed to even mention said topics without my posts being thoughtlessly deleted. With Kamarling and others here not willing to look on the hidden forums where should I go to, in your own words…
“The
[size=1]The[/size] moderation policy is currently being discussed. Again, if anyone wants to discuss that specifically, you input here is very welcome.”
As long as you don’t mention the war.
I think it’s rather childish.
(2022-01-23, 10:59 AM)David001 Wrote: [ -> ]For example, this is what a remarkable (though erratic) psychic, Sylvia Browne, wrote in 2008 about what we now know as COVID:
Isn't this a lot of the problem. Cherry picking one thing that seems to fit from among all the many things the same person said that were totally wrong and contradictory and applying it to something very real and deadly that is killing people's loved ones should be something that is done behind closed doors where other shameful things are done.