Intelligent design

Not to answer for Typoz but I accept them conditionally. There are CORT cases where someone remembers an in-between life, but some of this seems t[o]o odd to be real and very culturally motivated. For example the stories of a soul trying to get their future mother to swallow the particular grain of rice that contains their essence.

I think the problem is that people report non-material phenomena as if they were material - they walk up staircases, see colours, observe scenes that look like idealised scenes you would find on Earth, etc. You kind of know that the information NDEs convey has been somehow translated into physical terms.

Maybe some spirits do try to persuade their potential mothers to 'adopt' them.

More generally, IMHO I don't think it helps to select the most extreme reports and theorise from them.

David

The way you phrased that, I'm not certain whether you think ID is weak or strong. I think the evidence is remarkably strong because the Discovery Institute has separated the science supporting the view that RM+NS is not the explanation of evolution - still less of the origin of life - from the Christian views of the DI as a  whole. I used to have a thread on Skeptiko about all that and Michael Behe's book "Darwin Devolves". Maybe I should start another?

David

https://mindsetfree.blog/dare-to-questio...we-evolve/
Found this interesting article in this blog (That has also a rebuttal to Ian Wardell's review of Augustine's book)

https://mindsetfree.blog/dare-to-questio...we-evolve/
Found this interesting article in this blog (That has also a rebuttal to Ian Wardell's review of Augustine's book)

I wonder whether @EyesShiningAngrily has any comment on that.

I think the problem is that people report non-material phenomena as if they were material - they walk up staircases, see colours, observe scenes that look like idealised scenes you would find on Earth, etc. You kind of know that the information NDEs convey has been somehow translated into physical terms.

Maybe some spirits do try to persuade their potential mothers to 'adopt' them.

More generally, IMHO I don't think it helps to select the most extreme reports and theorise from them.

David

I don't know if these kinds of cases are that extreme, but I agree that we shouldn't tarnish all cases because of some "bad" ones.

(Check out this thread digging into the Reincarnation and other afterlife evidence.)

I do suspect that this idea that we plan our lives out is very much a modern phenomena that reflects culture rather than something that happens for every soul. I am not recalling any such phenomena in historical NDEs or Reincarnation cases, though it does seem to be a belief in some Native American tribes that you can choose where you are born but not the entire future.

OK, but is it possible to extract what you do believe about reincarnation and multiple lives?

David

A more thorough response to this question might be found in some of my previous forum posts as I've commented on the topic many times.

A selection of my posts on past lives or reincarnation with a sub-theme of PTSD in this case:

This first link covers quite a lot of ground in a relatively short space, covering karma, NDEs, and more...
https://psiencequest.net/forums/thread-r...1#pid17651

https://psiencequest.net/forums/thread-t...4#pid22504

https://psiencequest.net/forums/thread-h...2#pid26352


This last link is perhaps one of the most useful,

Much of this discussion revolves around information, I suppose things like names of people or places. The sort of stuff that people memorise in order to win trivia quiz games. I suppose in the Leininger case such information plays a significant part.

However, I'd like to suggest a different perspective. What if there is no such data, so that the idea of acquiring information from other means whether mundane or psychic shifts out of scope? How does the concept of reincarnation even have relevance to us?

https://psiencequest.net/forums/thread-m...1#pid49271