Dreams -- Underlying Meta Structure

Just because I need my brain to keep my heart beating doesn't mean I need it to dream.

You have heard, I assume, that there are documented cases of people missing over 90 of their brain, and they didn't even know it? These are cases of Hydocephly. If not I'll find a link and send.

Yes. Please don't discuss that in this thread. (The wasted brain topic.) I don't know a lot about the brain, but to say it plays no part in dreaming seems odd.

Very debatable what the role of the brain is. 

Whats the role of a TV? To house millions of movies? or to be a receiver and display mechanism of movies that are actually located somewhere else?

But no TV, no shows. No radio, no music. 

That's not to say that in the "non-physical" following death, that "people" may not also dream. But as a human in a "physical" human body, it seems the brain plays a fairly important role in many ordinary activities including dreaming.

But no TV, no shows. No radio, no music. 

That's not to say that in the "non-physical" following death, that "people" may not also dream. But as a human in a "physical" human body, it seems the brain plays a fairly important role in many ordinary activities including dreaming.

You don't know whether the brain plays an important activity or not in dreaming. 

And I can't recall of an account through any channel or medium account that references sleeping or dreaming in the non-physical.

But no TV, no shows. No radio, no music. 

Yup, those too. But the TV isn't the place where the TV shows are made or stored. Same with music. The TV is a conduit. As may be the brain.

Yeah. Not really interested in the battle of the brain. Obviously we need one to live. You can take out the appendix. You can't remove the brain. Not entirely sure how this got started, but let's get back to talking about dreams. I would be interested to see some studies on dreaming and the brain. I'm sure there are some out there.

Yeah. Not really interested in the battle of the brain. Obviously we need one to live. You can take out the appendix. You can't remove the brain. Not entirely sure how this got started, but let's get back to talking about dreams. I would be interested to see some studies on dreaming and the brain. I'm sure there are some out there.

But you are wrong don't you see?

There are many examples where people do live essentially without a brain. I just gave you an example of one. Why are you just ignoring what I said? Is it that you don't accept the account? Or that you want to pretend it doesn't exist?

Apparently it is too weird for you, but no matter how weird,,, it is true. You can't wish it away.

But you are wrong don't you see?

There are many examples where people do live essentially without a brain. I just gave you an example of one. Why are you just ignoring what I said? Is it that you don't accept the account? Or that you want to pretend it doesn't exist?

Apparently it is too weird for you, but no matter how weird,,, it is true. You can't wish it away.

Please open a thread for that discussion. This isn't that thread. Thanks.

But you are wrong don't you see?

There are many examples where people do live essentially without a brain. I just gave you an example of one. Why are you just ignoring what I said? Is it that you don't accept the account? Or that you want to pretend it doesn't exist?

Apparently it is too weird for you, but no matter how weird,,, it is true. You can't wish it away.

LIVING WITHOUT A BRAIN
Dr. John Lorber (1915–1996), neurology professor at the University of Sheffield in the United Kingdom, recalled the time in the 1970s when the campus doctor asked him to examine a student whose head was a bit larger than normal. Instead of the normal 4.5-centimeter thickness of brain tissue between the ventricles and the cortical surface, Lorber discovered that the student had only a thin layer of mantle measuring about a millimeter and his cranium was filled mainly with cerebrospinal fluid.

The man had hydrocephalus, a condition in which the cerebrospinal fluid, instead of circulating around the brain, becomes dammed up inside the cranium and leaves no space for the brain to develop normally. Such a condition is usually fatal within the first few months of life. If individuals should survive beyond infancy, they are often severely retarded. In the case of the math major from the University of Sheffield, he had an IQ of 126 and graduated with honors.

Lorber collected research data concerning several hundred people who functioned quite well with practically no brains at all. Upon careful examination, he described some of the subjects as having no "detectable brains."

Dr. Patrick Wall, professor of anatomy at University College, London, stated that there existed "scores" of accounts of people existing without discernable brains.

Please open a thread for that discussion. This isn't that thread. Thanks.

If someone wants to discuss further they can start a thread. I don't have an urgent need to discuss. 

I'm just pointing out that your comments about the brain are not accepted by all, and I'll leave it at that.

Probably not without entering you into my dreamworld. I know that's probably a copout but the sort of dreams of which I'm thinking aren't very amenable to being put into words, and sometimes not even into waking logic. I think when you transcend human logic in a dream and enter some sort of realm of paralogic - something that I have never seen a human artist do, and can't even imagine how it would be done - you can be pretty sure that you're not dealing with an ordinary, personal creativity.

We have dreams that are "maintenance" dreams where we sort through issues, these are usually fairly easily remembered on waking and have a semblance of continuity and relevance. I call this the bottom side of dreamstates.

The top side is the dream which is so completely out of our ability to make sense of it (time discontinuity, constantly changing imagery, etc.)  that our physical mind does the best it can to create symbols that represent the events in the experience. Both dreamstates are experiential regardless of how confusing one might be. The top side dream is primarily for learning at the Higher Mind level.