Another demonstration of chatGPT 4.0 capabilities

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(2023-05-29, 08:20 PM)Typoz Wrote: This step seems way out of sequence to me. If the proposal is to give rights to conscious entities this planet is filled with vast numbers of different kinds, from birds of the air, animals of the land to creatures of the oceans, lakes and rivers. I really think we should attend to these first or we will look foolish as well as devalue our own selves and our higher aspirations.

Oh I am not saying we should be in any rush to create said synthetic conscious entities, treatment of all kinds of life should be vastly more improved for all living beings before that. [Also maybe we just shouldn't make synthetic life because it might upset some Natural Balance.]

However I think there is some difficulty in the language of rights - we don't really "grant" them in the sense of giving a gift but rather acknowledge a moral standard.

So *if* someone put together synthetic life that we had a reasonable reason to think was conscious - maybe it matches some quantum biology structure that we found was necessary for human minds - then I think we would have to grant these robots/androids/whatever the rights we grant to beings of our sentience/sapience level.

As to whether the structure is what makes the Ur Mind split into a new alter, the Classical God stamp intellect into the creation of a new soul, an existing soul chooses the robot/android to inhabit, the particles of panpsychic consciousness have been arranged in just the right way, etc etc...

...The robot/android will probably just join in the debate with us, but maybe provide some new insight...and hopefully not enslave us...
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- Bertrand Russell


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(2023-05-29, 06:06 PM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: I think if we emphasize ARTIFICIAL we can accept simulations of our own - or alternative - mental work as valid AI.

As for a consciousness that is sentient/sapient, I actually am not against this working or extending rights to such an entity provided there is a clear reason to think said entity is conscious.

For me that "clear reason" would have to be discovering the minimal set of brain-body correlations that allow for consciousness. If that minimal set was created in, say, silicone + metal, and this actually made the entity turn on and act sentinent/sapient...well I would be hard pressed to deny it rights.

A program running on a Turing Machine that makes said Turing Machine conscious, OTOH, seems nonsensical.

I think the mere existence of any given set of (silicon and metal) brain-body correlations can always in principle be ascribed to extremely clever programming of a hyper-sophisticated Turing machine to mimic human behavior. This human mimic machine would just be limited in its convincingness by the extent of the database of actual human behaviors. 

It seems to me that the only conclusive way of testing for true consciousness would be in using esp to actually establish a telepathic link with the AI system. In order for the human psychic to experience this, he/she would then have to be communicating with some sort of other mind, however different it was and however different was its embodiment in the physical.
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(2023-05-29, 10:40 PM)nbtruthman Wrote: I think the mere existence of any given set of (silicon and metal) brain-body correlations can always in principle be ascribed to extremely clever programming of a hyper-sophisticated Turing machine to mimic human behavior. This human mimic machine would just be limited in its convincingness by the extent of the database of actual human behaviors. 

It seems to me that the only conclusive way of testing for true consciousness would be in using esp to actually establish a telepathic link with the AI system. In order for the human psychic to experience this, he/she would then have to be communicating with some sort of other mind, however different it was and however different was its embodiment in the physical.

What about octopuses, dolphins, elephants?

I get this is very much into sci-fi territory, heck it recalls Star Trek Next Gen's episode The Measure of a Man...but I am not sure telepathy is fair measure here. I don't think Diana Troy could read Data with her empathic powers?
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