Time warp in Las Vegas?

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A case of a faulty meter?

'Time warp' discovered by paranormal investigator outside of Las Vegas
Quote:LAS VEGAS (FOX5) -
A paranormal researcher said he's the first person to ever discover a time warp, and that he found it on the outskirts of Las Vegas. Joshua Warren has been measuring the rate of time all over Southern Nevada, and he said, last week he found that time had slowed down.

He said he measured multiple places between Las Vegas and Area 51, but the only place he got a reading was in the desert just north of the city between I-15 and Route 93. “The weird thing, the real holy grail here, was what we picked up with this brand-new piece of technology,” Warren said.

The technology he’s referring to was the DT Meter, which stands for differential time rate meter. It was recently invented by a Silicon Valley engineer, Ron Heath. It's connected to a 100-foot cable with a sensor on the end that sends back a signal.

“That signal is always supposed to travel at the same rate of time at any particular place. The only way that could change is if a black hole approached earth or something like that, which is never supposed to happen,” Warren said. “At this spot, on June 18 of 2018, I actually measured for the first and only time, time itself slowing down for 20 microseconds.”
Warren said that should not happen, according to the laws of physics.

“That shouldn’t happen unless there is some kind of unknown technology being tested nearby that would influence the environment, or if there are naturally places around planet earth that actually sort of flicker once in a while, that warp a little bit,” Warren said.
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http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/38515977/...-las-vegas
(2018-06-30, 04:56 AM)Ninshub Wrote: A case of a faulty meter?

Brett Tingley of Mysterious Universe thinks so. I think it's fair to say he's not a hardcore sceptic.
http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2018/06/re...las-vegas/

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It's not quite fair to say that the engineer who made the meter, Ron Heath, "has no discernible presence on the Internet". He has a website at rhwebco.com, with information about the Differential Time Meter and other devices. Perhaps fittingly, the website looks as though it comes from the 1990s:
http://www.rhwebco.com/DT-Meter_Blurb.html ]
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(2018-06-30, 07:54 AM)Chris Wrote: Perhaps fittingly, the website looks as though it comes from the 1990s:
http://www.rhwebco.com/DT-Meter_Blurb.html
Yes, I came across that site myself, since my first question had been, "what is a 'differential time rate meter'?".

In favour of the site, it isn't cluttered with bells and whistles which distract attention from the content, unlike very many of today's sites.
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(2018-06-30, 08:27 AM)Typoz Wrote: Yes, I came across that site myself, since my first question had been, "what is a 'differential time rate meter'?".

In favour of the site, it isn't cluttered with bells-and whistles which distract attention from the content, unlike very many of today's sites.

Yes - given the number of websites that don't even display properly on all the common browsers, there's a lot to be said for simple HTML.
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"“That shouldn’t happen unless there is some kind of unknown technology being tested nearby that would influence the environment, or if there are naturally places around planet earth that actually sort of flicker once in a while, that warp a little bit,” Warren said.

Perhaps not that unusual globally?
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There's a sceptical article on this claim by Rob Lea on the CSI website:
https://www.csicop.org/specialarticles/s...ewarprsquo

I'm sure he's right to be very sceptical, but I can't work out how the device is supposed to function, so I'm not sure whether his suggested explanation makes sense. If we're just talking about the transit time of a signal along a cable, I can't see that thermal expansion of the material would make anything like a 2% difference.
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(2018-07-15, 08:15 AM)Chris Wrote: There's a sceptical article on this claim by Rob Lea on the CSI website:
https://www.csicop.org/specialarticles/s...ewarprsquo

I'm sure he's right to be very sceptical, but I can't work out how the device is supposed to function, so I'm not sure whether his suggested explanation makes sense. If we're just talking about the transit time of a signal along a cable, I can't see that thermal expansion of the material would make anything like a 2% difference.

When reading this even before I got to the part where the writer mentioned interferometer I knew this is what this device is and as such great strides need to be made to ensure outside influences do not interfere with such a device opreration. The csicop writer is accurate in his analysis conversely Mr. Warren is sloppy in his analysis. Mr. Warren's site. http://www.speakingofstrange.com/past_shows.html
If you're curious enough to detect minute differences in the passage of time then use this app from the Department of Computer Science University of Surrey. https://www.timewarperapp.org
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(2018-07-15, 02:43 PM)Steve001 Wrote: When reading this even before I got to the part where the writer mentioned interferometer I knew this is what this device is and as such great strides need to be made to ensure outside influences do not interfere with such a device opreration.

Just out of curiosity, do you know the operating principle is - how the device arrives at a figure for the difference in the "rate of time" between the two ends of the cable?

(2018-07-15, 02:43 PM)Steve001 Wrote: The csicop writer is accurate in his analysis conversely Mr. Warren is sloppy in his analysis.

Warren may well be sloppy, but I don't think the dimensions of any material likely to be in that cable would expand by 2% because of desert heat, as Rob Lea's article seems to suggest.
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(2018-07-15, 04:44 PM)Chris Wrote: Just out of curiosity, do you know the operating principle is - how the device arrives at a figure for the difference in the "rate of time" between the two ends of the cable?


Warren may well be sloppy, but I don't think the dimensions of any material likely to be in that cable would expand by 2% because of desert heat, as Rob Lea's article seems to suggest.

Did a quick read through earlier of the operation written by the builder of this device; I do not recall him making a detailed description how the two time keeping operations done. 

I don't see the 2% figure in the csicop article. Interferometers are necessarily sensitive devices and do not like being lugged jostled around. That alone should alert anyone to the accuracy of Mr. Warren's claim. Knowing Mr. Warren's history of unsupported claims I am confident he is wrong.
Brett Tingley at MU has an updated article (dated tomorrow? July 16? maybe I'm in a time warp myself...)

‘Time Warp’ Update and Interview with Joshua P. Warren

Quote:Naturally, I was skeptical about this discovery. A single anomalous measurement is hardly conclusive proof of anything, particularly one using an unknown device which appears to have been made in some dude’s basement and sold on eBay. However, as someone who writes about the paranormal and unexplained, I am open to all possibilities – given sufficient evidence.

To that end, I recently spoke with Joshua P. Warren about his discovery and the device he used. To start, I asked Warren if he has been able to reproduce the same result at the same site:
Quote:This result is truly an anomaly. I have tested the same site three times, but this only happened for a moment on one occasion. However, I have used the DT-Meter all over the desert, between Vegas and Area 51, and it has always been easily, and reliably, calibrated and operated just as intended. In fact, the inventor of the device, Silicon Valley engineer Ronald Heath, has had two of them running on property in California for months, logging results 24/7, and he has never seen one anomaly. When he saw my reading he said ‘WOW! Incredible!!!’

(...) What might be the cause of this anomalous reading Warren took with the DT-Meter? Ultimately, it’s difficult to say given just one reading. However, within the field of physics there is some precedent for such anomalies. For one, there’s the the phenomenon of time dilation as proven by the famous Hafele-Keating experiment and other studies, in which working clocks have been found to report different times after being travelling at different velocities. Clocks on the International Space Station, for example, run .014 seconds slower per year than clocks on Earth. However, since Warren discovered the time anomaly while stationary on the surface of Earth, these types of effects normally shouldn’t apply.

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