(2026-01-14, 07:55 PM)Warddurward Wrote: I also wasn't aware this 'experiment' was going on, and it was likely because I tuned these people out a long time ago.
I have always had zero tolerance for absolute nonsense beliefs that are so obviously wrong, and so easily corrected. The people who continue with these beliefs have to force themselves to continue by ignoring the obvious. This nonsense is a very unhealthy mind set.
It becomes an illness in a couple of ways. One of the obvious ways is the clinging to false beliefs and refusing to accept proof that you are wrong, or any facts that deviate from your belief. It is a form of belligerent ignorance that persists in a format that can only be interesting to those studying aberrant human mental defects.
Using your religion to try and claim that the facts and science are wrong is another obvious mental challenge.
Number one, we don't need to give these people any platform, or pay any attention to them, because the science is so obviously correct that we don't have to tolerate it.
I have a background in land surveying, and a couple of years of psychology thrown in. Basic trig, geometry, calculus, and algebra will take care of any of the weak arguments about the silly concept of a flat Earth. This tells me that everyone who believes in this is either too lazy or ignorant to do the real and logical math. A weak mind will likely support this silly nonsense belief system. So that sets the stage for the type of intellect and personality we are dealing with. Religion is also often involved in surrendering your frontal lobe and common sense to something that makes no sense when you use your logic. It feels like they are still clinging to the idea of Santa coming down the chimney. So, we are starting with people who think they are being intelligent, and think they are picking something that proves they are being lied to by science, which makes no sense on any level of sanity. Learning the math and doing the measures would prove them wrong immediately, without having to travel to the South Pole. Looking at satellite images would prove them wrong immediately. So anyone that refuses this obvious proof is simply mentally ill.
I'm sure anyone involved in archeology, evolution, biology, or many other scientific areas of study could chime in with how ignorant the young Earth idea is, and how flawed that type of mental belligerence is.
Thus, there is no need to give them any platform, or listen to any of them. There is no need to coddle them, or try to educate them. This type of mental illness goes beyond our abilities, and goes into needing professional mental help.
Personality traits, cognitive bias, delusional disorders and ignorance likely combine with distrust and low intellect to create most of these issues.
I personally think we should be banning the people and groups involved in feeding and supporting such nonsense. No more tolerance and coddling when it comes to this mental health problem.
Feeding this fire is not the way to get these people to see reality, and they will continue to deny their own members who went on this eye-opening journey and discovered a basic truth that they could have gotten with some mathematics.
I bet you did not see a single second of one of the videos i linked to in the OP.
We may be considered to be on the same side of the proponent/skeptic divide on this forum, but i could not disagree more with the sentiment that you expres in this post.
I admit there is a lot of Dunning Kruger going on in the flat world of the flerfs, but that is not what we are talking about here.
The reason i started this thread was not because i thought Will Duffy is stupid. Just the opposite: Why does an obviously intelligent person believe a thing that, at least for me, is so clearly wrong as YEC? The thing that fascinates me here is that we have a unique chance to maybe see a glimpse of how that works.
How often have you seen anyone willingly expose himself to extensive education on the opposite of the dogma's they grew up in?
Isn't that a sign of intelligence itself?
On this forum, and all the previous iterations of the Skeptiko forum, i have seen people way smarter than me come up with very smart ways to convince themselves of things that are completely illogic to me.
If i have learned anything in all these years, it is that. Given the distribution of religion, or the belief in the paranormal, among the population, it would be absurd to think that depends on intelligence, or mental deficiency, as you seem to think.
To me it has more to with motivation to believe. i think skeptics or atheists simply lack that motivation.
"The mind is the effect, not the cause."
Daniel Dennett
Daniel Dennett