(2025-01-01, 11:47 PM)Max_B Wrote: For starters, it's the silly headline claim about truth and fitness, I mean we're not talking about truth vs lies, or fitness vs unfitness. He stupidly keeps saying the truth organism in his paper is somehow less fit and dies, in his interviews, with no qualification or statement of the obvious limitations of his paper... it's stupid... his paper uses a classical theory of what is truth, it doesn't involve QM at all, and we're talking about information ain't we! Classical stuff died in the 1920's, now even QM needs to be qualified... QM adds up outside of spacetime/transcends spacetime... how on earth can he use the word 'truth', when he doesn't use QM/Quantum information in his paper... they are the truth... I mean, at least more truthful/accurate, compared to old classical approximations.
And that spoon/headache thing... and that 'no public space'... and those early papers I read...
Yeah there was some brief mention of QM in parts 2 & 3 of the breakdown which I'll post for completion's sake, but I don't know if Hoffman has tried to further his work on the Interface Theory of Perception to properly consider information at a quantum level.
I personally think there is some basic truth that what we see is a User Interface of sorts, but I don't know if it makes sense to say there is 0 representation of truth in the brain's UI.
I did the videos provided a good basic understanding of what Hoffman's argument actually is, but it's difficult to see how to make sense of the spoon/headache stuff we discussed years back.
Quote:We address 10 common critiques to Don Hoffman's FBT theorem. Through a mathematical model and evolutionary game theory simulations, cognitive scientist Hoffman claims there's a 0% probability you and me perceive base reality, or the world as it actually is. We thoroughly examine objections to his Fitness Beats Truth theorem.
🎬 Chapters
0:00 Intro
0:17 Hoffman's game theory simulations are too basic
2:27 This game is rigged against the truth strategy
4:22 Isn't fitness-only still seeing the "truth"?
6:53 What about other testable structures?
8:10 Wouldn't a mixed fitness & truth strategy be better?
8:42 Why is there dispersion in the perceptual model?
9:33 Is there additional computation cost to truth?
10:29 Are there exceptions where truth wins?
11:08 What about quantum game theory?
12:00 Isn't this circular logic?
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Quote:We cover the holographic principle and error correcting codes (ECC) as they relate to Don Hoffman's Fitness-Beats-Truth Theorem. Our third and final chapter on Hoffman's revolutionary claim, backed by mathematics and evolutionary game theory, that we do not perceive base reality. The holographic principle and error correction found in physics, biology, and information theory may be clues Hoffman is right.
Quote:0:00 Intro
1:55 Holographic Principle
5:41 Hamming Code (Type of ECC)
7:58 Error Correcting Codes in Physics
9:40 Error Correcting Codes in Biology
11:10 Error Correcting Codes in Information Theory
12:07 Fitness-Beats-Truth Finale
13:29 Map-Territory Farewell
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