(2021-01-11, 09:44 PM)tim Wrote: Do you mean what is termed a walk in, Sci ? It's beyond my boggle factor but if we survive, it can't be ruled out, I guess.
I think so? - Though the Psi Encyclopedia says there's a difference->
Quote:Replacement reincarnation may easily be confused with what are popularly called walk-ins, and the terms are sometimes assumed to be synonymous.8 However, there are significant differences between the replacement phenomenon and walk-ins.
As the examples of replacement reincarnation described below show, replacement involves a fairly abrupt and complete substitution of one controlling spirit by another. Personalities and memory streams are irrevocably altered. Moreover, the replacing personalities are those of other regular people, then recently deceased. Replacement reincarnation has been described in societies around the world, from as early as eighteenth century China.
The American writer Ruth Montgomery introduced the walk-in phenomenon in her 1979 book, Strangers Among Us.9 She described walk-ins as “enlightened beings” which take possession of human bodies with the mission of helping repair lives and lead humanity into a new age of spiritual progress. Walk-ins introduce new personalities and interests, but do not entirely displace the old memory streams, which are retained due to their instantiation in cellular memory. Walk-ins negotiate their entry with the 'walk-out' and only enter with permission, but afterwards, walk-ins are not aware of who they are. Montomery identified walk-ins of the past as including Abraham Lincoln, Emanuel Swedenborg, and Mahatma Gandhi.10
Although this concept of walk-ins as enlightened beings continues to be promoted in popular writings,11 one also now finds the idea that they may be regular people, who wish to continue their lives, but not necessarily with the goal of helping mankind. In one recent book, the walk-in is said to be an old boyfriend of the author, who takes over her husband's body with his permission.12 Unlike replacement reincarnation, purported walk-in claims have yet to be studied by psychical researchers.
Although the concept is well known in the popular sphere, its evidential status is unclear.13
'Historically, we may regard materialism as a system of dogma set up to combat orthodox dogma...Accordingly we find that, as ancient orthodoxies disintegrate, materialism more and more gives way to scepticism.'
- Bertrand Russell
(2021-01-11, 10:12 PM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: I think so? - Though the Psi Encyclopedia says there's a difference->
Not sure now, Sci but not to worry !
(2021-01-11, 09:57 PM)tim Wrote: The sceptics will say anything, Omni, doesn't matter how far fetched, anything at all is always better.
Just for the record, Pam Reynolds (apparently) went to see Dr Spetzler on a Wednesday and had surgery the next day, Thursday morning beginning at 7.30. There was no guided tour of the operation room to show her the instruments (particularly the bone saw) as some idiots have proposed (firstly they don't do that and secondly she would have been even more terrified than she already was).
Yeah I've never heard of surgeons giving guided tours of operating rooms and revealing/showing to patients the instruments they're going to use. That sounds counter-productive really.
I've already found yet another ridiculous article trying to ridicule the documentary. Not only is it riddled with grammatical errors, but childish ranting about parapsychology: https://www.explica.co/criticism-of-surv...ry-series/
I don't even really need to quote it because half of it is barely coherent and focuses exclusively on the mediumship stuff. And it also doesn't even mention anything about the two strongest episodes: NDEs and Reincarnation.
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(2021-01-11, 10:47 PM)OmniVersalNexus Wrote: Yeah I've never heard of surgeons giving guided tours of operating rooms and revealing/showing to patients the instruments they're going to use. That sounds counter-productive really.
I've already found yet another ridiculous article trying to ridicule the documentary. Not only is it riddled with grammatical errors, but childish ranting about parapsychology: https://www.explica.co/criticism-of-surv...ry-series/
I don't even really need to quote it because half of it is barely coherent and focuses exclusively on the mediumship stuff. And it also doesn't even mention anything about the two strongest episodes: NDEs and Reincarnation.
It simply does not happen, full stop. I had an in investigatory procedure done some time ago and I was not given a preview of the optical device they were going to shove down my throat. Nor when I had a rupture (groin) when I was young. If I'd seen the device before, I don't think I would have been quite as jolly as when they first wheeled me in.
(2021-01-11, 09:37 PM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: This also seems to be the case with Replacement Reincarnation, where only after the seeming death and sudden recovery is there a new personality with new memories.
I suspect it won't ever be popular in the arguments for Survival because it is rather creepy to think of others suddenly slipping into our skins, but I believe when bundled with other case types it really does give us a sense the body is a kind of "sleeve" for the psyche.
Similar to how I could be in the middle of an arcade game, then have to leave but let someone else take over the session I bought with my quarters.
Makes you wonder whether something other than an organic “sleeve” might suffice, at least temporarily, doesn’t it?
I do not make any clear distinction between mind and God. God is what mind becomes when it has passed beyond the scale of our comprehension.
Freeman Dyson
(2021-01-12, 09:24 AM)tim Wrote: It simply does not happen, full stop. I had an in investigatory procedure done some time ago and I was not given a preview of the optical device they were going to shove down my throat. Nor when I had a rupture (groin) when I was young. If I'd seen the device before, I don't think I would have been quite as jolly as when they first wheeled me in.
Yeah I think given the potential stress on the patient this is just generally ill-advised.
I'd be surprised if any doctor save those who blithely accept their patients are nothing but a collection of physical parts on a choiceless crash-course to oblivion would do such a thing.
'Historically, we may regard materialism as a system of dogma set up to combat orthodox dogma...Accordingly we find that, as ancient orthodoxies disintegrate, materialism more and more gives way to scepticism.'
- Bertrand Russell
(2021-01-12, 10:30 AM)Kamarling Wrote: Makes you wonder whether something other than an organic “sleeve” might suffice, at least temporarily, doesn’t it?
Do you mean something like mind uploading? (It's interesting how many materialists who dismiss souls expect that humans will live forever in computer...)
Or like an apparition that exists for a short time to visit family members before moving on?
'Historically, we may regard materialism as a system of dogma set up to combat orthodox dogma...Accordingly we find that, as ancient orthodoxies disintegrate, materialism more and more gives way to scepticism.'
- Bertrand Russell
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There does seem to be some evidence of people occupying apparently vacated bodies...
Maybe not what was in mind here but some may find it of interest...
https://psi-encyclopedia.spr.ac.uk/artic...ncy-vennum
(2021-01-12, 06:08 PM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: Do you mean something like mind uploading? (It's interesting how many materialists who dismiss souls expect that humans will live forever in computer...)
Or like an apparition that exists for a short time to visit family members before moving on?
I was musing on the possibility that a soul might occupy something silicon based, for example. I don't see that as anything like what the materialists like to fantasise about, however. It seems to me that they don't accept that the mind is an actual entity but only an epiphenomenon but they speculate that memories can be stored in the electro-chemical structures of the brain and that storage can be transferred to an AI. Again the personality is, to them, no more than a manifestation of bio-chemical combinations which, presumably, they think can be analysed and reproduced in/by the AI.
I have read snippets of spiritual philosophising accompanied by some evidence that certain mechanical or electro-mechanical devices can respond to human personality almost as though they were possessed. Like something out of Stephen King though not necessarily evil, of course. I swear my car and my computer fall into that category because they damn sure act like they have a mind of their own!
I do not make any clear distinction between mind and God. God is what mind becomes when it has passed beyond the scale of our comprehension.
Freeman Dyson
(2021-01-12, 09:22 PM)Obiwan Wrote: There does seem to be some evidence of people occupying apparently vacated bodies...
Maybe not what was in mind here but some may find it of interest...
https://psi-encyclopedia.spr.ac.uk/artic...ncy-vennum
In the spiritual literature (oh dear, I've read so much of it that I can't remember where I've come across the information) there are stories of "Earthbound" souls who prey on those humans who regularly pass out because of alcohol or drug abuse. The "ghosts" move in to the unconscious body for a while and avail themselves of the earthly pleasures they so miss from their previous incarnation.
I do not make any clear distinction between mind and God. God is what mind becomes when it has passed beyond the scale of our comprehension.
Freeman Dyson
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