Intellectual humility

Another thing to consider is can we take the average person and make them "gifted" with regards to Psi ability. I agree with you that quantitative, reproducible results with Psi-stars is the best of both sides of the argument, but the search for those individuals who might have exceptional capabilities definitely would be searching for needles in a haystack.

The only way to cut through the impasse, it seems to me, is to work on finding that which could bolster Psi results. Perhaps that is some dose of psychedelics, perhaps its some ritualized practice, etc. This could also, in turn, tell us something about Psi in the general population.

Also, I'm curious as to what results you think have told us anything about Psi in the general population?

As I mentioned on another thread Chris started on similar precognitive testing. You can do what Bem did in experiment 1, which is to select subjects which are more motivated by a very particular stimulus, then use that stimulus as a target in the testing, and perhaps to go even further by only selecting subjects who have a good history of predicting this stimulus.

Bem's Experiment 1 seems as solid as we have, it's the only experiment I was really interested in, because of the hugely significant results 57%+, once Bem looked at the smaller sub-group of stimulus seeking subjects in the experiment... the remainder of the subjects did not produce significant results... it therefore appears the 53%+ he measured when looking at all subjects, was only due to this subgroup of high stimulus seeking individuals.

You can also look at Sony's espr research... which only used star children as subjects...

People who are particularly gifted, or good at everyday things are an obvious choice for subjects. Then target them with the stimulus they seem good at predicting...

You can also look at Sony's espr research... which only used star children as subjects...

People who are particularly gifted, or good at everyday things are an obvious choice for subjects. Then target them with the stimulus they seem good at predicting...

Can you elaborate on these two points?

Especially the latter, how would you set it up so a person gifted at -for example- basketball could appropriately be tested for Psi?

Can you elaborate on these two points?

Especially the latter, how would you set it up so a person gifted at -for example- basketball could appropriately be tested for Psi?

Well I would probably choose something a bit easier... somebody who is perhaps.... good at placing winning bets at the races.... good at winning on roulette... good at surviving in battle/war.... good at finding women and getting laid... etc...

Then I'd try to recreate/simulate all (or some) of the important parts of situations in which they succeed... but randomize what actually happens... after the have decided/acted...

Something like that anyway... Bem did that in Experiment 1 with erotic pictures, the young college stimulus seekers appeared to be better than average at finding a route through time to what motivates them...

Well I would probably choose something a bit easier... somebody who is perhaps....  good at placing winning bets at the races.... good at winning on roulette... good at surviving in battle/war.... good at finding women and getting laid... etc...

Then I'd try to recreate/simulate all (or some) of the important parts of situations in which they succeed... but randomize what actually happens... after the have decided/acted...

Something like that anyway... Bem did that in Experiment 1 with erotic pictures, the young college stimulus seekers appeared to be better than average at finding a route through time to what motivates them...

Do you think VR/gaming might help facilitate this research?

I have to go back and look again at the Sony research...

Can you elaborate on these two points?

Especially the latter, how would you set it up so a person gifted at -for example- basketball could appropriately be tested for Psi?

The video's of the Sony ESPR archives, seemed to show plenty of hits on targets by star children... Sony were very clear, they had proven telepathy... I don't doubt it...

But are we testing children who are at an age where that are still exhibiting massive burst of spontaneous nonlinear network creation? Not as far as I'm aware... but these children's excess network formation, appears to give them a massive key, which can address many locks.... so they look like an obvious high priority area for research.

Do you think VR/gaming might help facilitate this research?

I have to go back and look again at the Sony research...

I don't know... but everything I have learnt suggests that there is noisy interference (averaging perhaps?) from using the same patterns in tests... unique patterns seem to avoid this...

We see something similar with Midazolam, which is used in healthcare to affect memory in some way during painful hospital procedures, so that patients don't recall the experience... it has another less well known effect... that experiences occurring just prior to the drugs administration, are recalled more strongly after the the drug has worn off, than people who did not take the drug. Suggesting the fallow period of experience between the drugs administration and it's wearing off contributes to easier access to experiences which occurred just prior to administration. Which supports an interference type theory of memory might be at work.

We also see the same things with repetitive haunting/apparitions... there are a number that occur, when some fixture, or fitting etc in a property is uncovered... as if the everyday experiences associated with the fixture or fitting have faded away (stopped averaging) whilst the fixture or fitting was concealed up, allowing an increased chance of a strongly felt individual experience breaking through from the past to the present when the fixture of fitting is uncovered, simply because there is reduced noisy interference caused by it's concealment.