Harry Martindale's apparitional experience: Help finding the evidence?

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@Max_B brought up the Treasurer's House, York Roman apparitions in this thread (https://psiencequest.net/forums/thread-d...ion?page=4), which I'd never read or heard of before.

The key account seems to come from Harry Martindale, who reportedly was working in the cellar of the house in 1953 when he experienced apparitions of Roman soldiers with some improbable features given knowledge at the time of ancient Rome (e.g. they had round shields). Later excavations of the site are said to have confirmed the accuracy of what Martindale perceived.

I've been trying to establish if any documentation of Martindale's account was made before excavations occurred. The earliest record of a report on the case that I can find is from 1977, "York Man Saw Ghost Story Come to Life Before His Eyes," Palm Beach-Post Times

The book Haunted Heritage: The Cultural Politics of Ghost Tourism, Populism, and the Past by Michele Hanks, seems to imply that the results of the excavation were already known by the time of Martindale's first documented telling of his story:

"When he eventually shared his story in the 1970s, the significance of his encounter was clearer. The men and horses that he saw might have been Romans. Many believed this because archaeologists had discovered the remains of the Roman Road Via Decumana Roman underneath the Treasurer’s House. That they walked on their knees seemed logical. The Roman Road was buried under layers of waste and development, which obscured their lower legs."

While this seemed like a very promising veridical apparition case, I don't think it can be assigned any particular value if there's no solid reason to think it really happened prior to the excavations. I searched the forum and found a few other mentions of it on this site, so hopefully someone on here is aware of more information that substantiates it.
(2025-09-02, 05:23 PM)InterestedinPsi Wrote: @Max_B brought up the Treasurer's House, York Roman apparitions in this thread (https://psiencequest.net/forums/thread-d...ion?page=4), which I'd never read or heard of before.

The key account seems to come from Harry Martindale, who reportedly was working in the cellar of the house in 1953 when he experienced apparitions of Roman soldiers with some improbable features given knowledge at the time of ancient Rome (e.g. they had round shields). Later excavations of the site are said to have confirmed the accuracy of what Martindale perceived.

I've been trying to establish if any documentation of Martindale's account was made before excavations occurred. The earliest record of a report on the case that I can find is from 1977, "York Man Saw Ghost Story Come to Life Before His Eyes," Palm Beach-Post Times

The book Haunted Heritage: The Cultural Politics of Ghost Tourism, Populism, and the Past by Michele Hanks, seems to imply that the results of the excavation were already known by the time of Martindale's first documented telling of his story:

"When he eventually shared his story in the 1970s, the significance of his encounter was clearer. The men and horses that he saw might have been Romans. Many believed this because archaeologists had discovered the remains of the Roman Road Via Decumana Roman underneath the Treasurer’s House. That they walked on their knees seemed logical. The Roman Road was buried under layers of waste and development, which obscured their lower legs."

While this seemed like a very promising veridical apparition case, I don't think it can be assigned any particular value if there's no solid reason to think it really happened prior to the excavations. I searched the forum and found a few other mentions of it on this site, so hopefully someone on here is aware of more information that substantiates it.

I don't think the February 1953 cellar excavations which were going on at the time of his Experience were material to Harry's claim about dress/weapons etc. IIRC the cellar had already been excavated in the past - at least once before anyway. It was expert Roman research and opinion from sites elsewhere (Hadrians Wall etc...) which took place after Harry's Experience, that Harry claims had altered towards what he recalled.

In any case Harry didn't reveal his Experience publicly for 20 years, 1975/6 is around the earliest free newspaper articles I can find. However from the interviews I've seen, Harry seemed to imply the research/opinion changes on Roman garb/equipment continued to occur after his story went public. IIRC in one interview, he relates being questioned by a team of experts, and implied that it was some time after this, that new archaeological research discovered that Roman soldiers sandals had been tied just below the knee for some short period of years (which is how he recalled them in his Experience).

It's all lost to history now...
We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring 
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.
(2025-09-02, 07:18 PM)Max_B Wrote: I don't think the February 1953 cellar excavations which were going on at the time of his Experience were material to Harry's claim about dress/weapons etc. IIRC the cellar had already been excavated in the past - at least once before anyway. It was expert Roman research and opinion from sites elsewhere (Hadrians Wall etc...) which took place after Harry's Experience, that Harry claims had altered towards what he recalled.

In any case Harry didn't reveal his Experience publicly for 20 years, 1975/6 is around the earliest free newspaper articles I can find. However from the interviews I've seen, Harry seemed to imply the research/opinion changes on Roman garb/equipment continued to occur after his story went public. IIRC in one interview, he relates being questioned by a team of experts, and implied that it was some time after this, that new archaeological research discovered that Roman soldiers sandals had been tied just below the knee for some short period of years (which is how he recalled them in his Experience).

It's all lost to history now...

A couple of video's containing interviews with Harry still on Youtube...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3auJWh-...FsZQ%3D%3D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1pNXYw3V4M
We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring 
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.
(2025-09-02, 07:41 PM)Max_B Wrote: A couple of video's containing interviews with Harry still on Youtube...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3auJWh-...FsZQ%3D%3D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1pNXYw3V4M
Thanks, these are helpful. First video mentions that Martindale's "description" of what he saw was given "very shortly after his experience" and was "examined in great detail by historians." Would've been great to get more information on that.

I've ordered a book that apparently has details of the case and was written by someone who seems to have been close to Martindale and attended a conference with him where they spoke about his experience. I'll report back here about what I learn from it, but it seems I may be waiting weeks to get it.
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