Aron Ra Interview

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Hi all,

I mentioned on the Patricia Churchland thread that I did an interview with arch internet Atheist Activist, Aron Ra on the subjects of Religion and Anomalous Experience.
I posted part 1 (on religion) publicly on YouTube today, but have decided against posting the discussion on anomalous experience as I would expect nothing but... for want of a better word... bullying from his audience.

However I have the discussion and have linked it below for those who would be interested. It also includes a veridical experience of an Out of Body Experience that Aron himself had, but later decided he didn't believe it because his friend (who actually had the experience) no longer believes in it... regardless of it being extremely suggestive.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/4rhxv6cw8fvrkl...w.mp4?dl=0
(This post was last modified: 2021-02-06, 11:58 PM by Darren_SeekingI.)
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Yeah I don't plan to download a file from some random person on the internet.

Just post it to Youtube & close the comment section if you think it will be a dumpster fire.
'Historically, we may regard materialism as a system of dogma set up to combat orthodox dogma...Accordingly we find that, as ancient orthodoxies disintegrate, materialism more and more gives way to scepticism.'

- Bertrand Russell


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(2021-02-04, 08:40 PM)Darren_SeekingI Wrote: It's a link to dropbox bud, you don't have to download the thing.
If you're that paranoid just don't respond and keep your thoughts to yourself.

I'm not posting it onto youtube.
I thought people in here would find it interesting. If all I'm going to get is snarky comments like yours I'll remove it.

I didn't think I was being snarky.

But I would advise people not to click on the link, though of course everyone else is free to do so.

edit: Can .mp4 files contain virus or malicious files?

Quote:Unfortunately, there are too many unqualified people answering this question. You absolutely can get a virus from an MP4. The exploit is in the player, and different players have different exploits. The payload is designed to overflow a buffer in the player, to place executable code into your computer’s memory, and then trick the player into executing this code. This has happened multiple times. One example is at https://www.maketecheasier.com/hackers-e...abilities/
'Historically, we may regard materialism as a system of dogma set up to combat orthodox dogma...Accordingly we find that, as ancient orthodoxies disintegrate, materialism more and more gives way to scepticism.'

- Bertrand Russell


(This post was last modified: 2021-02-04, 09:42 PM by Sciborg_S_Patel.)
Isn't this just the classic 'renouncing' of a former belief ? I was convinced...but now I know better. And because I've had the experience (and you haven't) I'm in a much better position than you to know. You get quite a lot of this, "I've had one of those near death experiences and believe me it's all fluff" baloney on the net.    

Without looking at his particular claimed experience, it's also illogical. You can't claim you've had a veridical out of body experience if it doesn't check out. It's a contradiction.

Veridical out of body experiences are extremely evidential because they are witnessed and checked out by a reliable third party. It doesn't depend on the person making the claim. Sometimes there are multiple witnesses. 

You can't stop mischievous pseudo-sceptics doing their thing. Let them, I would say and ignore them until they come up with something worth looking at. But we're 45 years on now and it's not looking good for them. Or maybe it is.
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(2021-02-04, 10:39 PM)Darren_SeekingI Wrote: It's not even that. It's not that he had the experience and didn't believe it.
He had the experience (a frighteningly accurate description of a room he actually rigged to be unusual as a test), and then over the years he found out that his friend (the out of body experiencer who reported the accurate room details) no longer believed it happened. He therefore believes it's bunk.

He still had the experience and was shaken by the accuracy, but because the out of body experiencer herself stopped believing, he believed it reasonable to do so also.
I'd be able to show you his account if I could figure out this dropbox but I think I need to send it to your email address to "invite you". Can do that if you are interested.

It's not that I'm worried about it, just curious to see what people make of his opinions Smile

Thanks, Darren, I'll decline if you don't mind. He doesn't interest me but I think you're doing a good job with your channel ! I'm satisfied now that there's something more to a human being than just electrical connections and chemicals across the synapses. Hearing what Arron Ra has to say wouldn't change that.

Maybe it's a foolish position to take as some on here have pointed out, only a madman or an idiot is certain of anything (Voltaire basically). I don't think I'm mad or foolish but there you go, what can you do.
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(2021-02-04, 06:46 PM)Darren_SeekingI Wrote: Hi all,

I mentioned on the Patricia Churchland thread that I did an interview with arch internet Atheist Activist, Aron Ra on the subjects of Religion and Anomalous Experience.
I posted part 1 (on religion) publicly on YouTube today, but have decided against posting the discussion on anomalous experience as I would expect nothing but... for want of a better word... bullying from his audience.

However I have the discussion and have linked it below for those who would be interested. It also includes a veridical experience of an Out of Body Experience that Aron himself had, but later decided he didn't believe it because his friend (who actually had the experience) no longer believes in it... regardless of it being extremely suggestive.

Would love to hear your thoughts Smile

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qpm3yfmz0abefc...I.mp4?dl=0

UPDATE: Unfortunately it seems I have to invite you to see the video... not sure how dropbox works for this kind of thing.

I've used dropbox myself many times. To the doom-mongers, this is a perfectly safe link to a respectable and established site. For goodness  sake, calm down!

Darren, not sure what the problem is.

Here's one of mine, for testing purposes only. (I shared this same link in the past an no-one made a fuss about malware that time)
   
   
The resulting link:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9b9b6tcjxvxte6...s.mp3?dl=0

Darren, I think you should check the 'settings' when you create the link, the invitation-only option is one choice, the other is anyone with the link. One other thing, after creating the link I usually log out of dropbox and test the link myself, or test it on a different browser where I'm not logged-in, to verify that it works. If necessary, log back in and retry till you get the right settings.

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An alternative idea is to use Youtube and make the video 'unlisted' which means you then need to share a link, just as you would with dropbox. After a decent interval (say one to two weeks) you could change the youtube setting to 'private' which would then kill the access via the link.

Good luck!
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(2021-02-04, 10:51 PM)tim Wrote: only a madman or an idiot is certain of anything 
Whoosh! There goes a whole pile of (pseudo-)sceptics.
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(2021-02-05, 11:12 AM)Typoz Wrote: Whoosh! There goes a whole pile of (pseudo-)sceptics.

That's actually very clever, Typoz. Why didn't I think of that.
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