(2023-07-31, 03:35 PM)Larry Wrote: [ -> ]Well said!
A question for me is: How likely is it that the mainstream medias have been conditioned for so long to hold any story that could cause some deep instability in the larger culture that there's a tacit understanding to de-emphasise any information or event that would have that effect as opposed to a more direct mandate from a higher source?
I think simple human nature would dissipate any nascent development of such a conditioning, because without enforcement via threats of imprisonment people would tend to go with their perceived self-interest rather than idealistic concepts of doing what would supposedly be best for society. This perceived self-interest could be either to prepare the family disaster survival underground shelter for a long occupancy, or to try to somehow profit by the news, rather than go with some academician's idea that our society could collapse if people really realized that they are vulnerable low men on the totem pole as far as Galactic alien society is concerned.
We can criticize Russ Coulhart for potentially valid reasons but in the interview I posted in the previous page he did address this issue of the absence of media coverage quite extensively.
00:24:11 Mainstream media's abject failure to cover UAPs
The latest from the UFO crash retrieval controversy.
From
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/41269...t-secrets/ :
Quote:"The shocking testimony (from Grusch) now has committee members questioning how Congress should begin to investigate the witness claims and demand more answers from the executive branch on programs it claims doesn’t exist. Lawmakers hope to start with obtaining additional information and documents that Grusch said he submitted to the Pentagon’s inspector general after serving on two Defense Department task forces looking into UAPs.
To get the information from Grusch — who said he was unable to discuss specifics on what he told the Pentagon’s watchdog arm — lawmakers want to sit down with the former official in a sensitive compartmented information facility (SCIF) to get additional information from him. The group has been blocked, however, by officials that have informed them that Grusch doesn’t currently have security clearance to discuss the issues in a SCIF."
As you can see, one of the "retaliations" Grusch was subjected to after he disclosed the information about the crash retrieval black ops projects, was to lose his top secret compartmentalized clearances, so he now has the catch-22 situation that he can't be in the SCIF facility which is necessary in order for him to testify the details. This of course must have been deliberate and one of the key reasons he was stripped of his clearances.
It looks like the "deep state" DOD intelligence community has the resources to obstruct Congress for a long time.
In the mean time, I'm sure they are beavering away at sowing disinformation, obtaining continuing statements that there is no evidence from UAP investigation organization officials (who of course lack the necessary clearances to get any information on this area), and suppressing any substantive reporting on the issue in the mass news media.
They sure are spending a lot of effort in trying to defuse and suppress information release on an issue that is supposed to not really exist.
Unfortunately this quashing effort seems to be rather successful so far, especially at suppressing any real interest in this matter by the news media. One of the methods must be of course to threaten loss of accreditation and interview rights for any media reporters who try to report on all of this. This might be done invisibly at the level of the news organization upper management.
Thanks for these updates, as disappointing as they are.
It gets worse.
Information came to my attention that Representative Mike Turner, Chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, has strangely ignored the explosive testimony Grusch gave to his, Turner's, senior staffers on the matter. Grusch said, “I personally briefed the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence’s staff director at the time, its General Counsels, and Congressman Turner’s personal staffer. "
The absence of any meaningful follow-up by Representative Turner, particularly considering the gravity of Grusch's allegations involving covert programs with non-human materials with zero Congressional oversight, raises considerable concerns about the Representative's approach to this crucial matter. The allegations made under oath, were deemed “credible and urgent” by the Intelligence Community's Inspector General.
After his failure to follow up and investigate these claims, in a recent interview on Fox News, Representative Turner outright dismissed the whistleblower testimony, including that given by Grusch under oath at last week's Congressional UAP Hearing. About all this, Grusch said: “Congressman Turner has not followed up with me, and based on his public statements, it appears he has not asked for a briefing on my testimony or has failed to ask the Intelligence Community’s Inspector General for more information.”
The probable reason for this strange behavior becomes apparent from the following information gleaned from admittedly obscure sources - I can't vouch for the accuracy, but the allegations have been made: Rep. Turner apparently is a notorious political pork receiver since he became Representative for the region containing Wright Patterson Air Force Base. He has been deemed a politician ‘too invested in defense contractors’ and as someone who represents ‘the unhealthy intersection between Congress and the defense sector’.
Rep. Turner at least apparently has a major conflict of interest, primarily because Lockheed Martin and other defense corporations help fund his campaigns. The truth coming out about the UFO crash retrievals hurts his benefactors so he has a strong incentive to "strangely" not push this issue further.
This matter only shows how labyrinthine and insidious are the intelligence community's links with LM and other defense contractors and in turn, with members of Congress. I guess we shouldn't be surprised - this is just the way Washington works.
I found the whole obvious psyop that Grusch was to be rather hilarious when it broke because it showed that some people really have no idea what the life of an actual whistleblower is actually like when they're genuinely bringing real information to the table that threatens the establishment and its narratives. Because when Grusch was being put foward by the mainstream as a whistleblower, which by the way is usually a good sign that they're not legit, the hearing with Garret O'Boyle and other FBI whistleblowers was happening around the same time. And uhh, well, their experiences of what happens when you go against the state and actually try to help people is rather different than what happened with Grusch, likewise with the quality and veracity of their evidence and how they get treated in mainstream media. O'boyle's hearing itself is also hilarous to watch because of how childish and nonsensical the dems were in it, not that team pepsi or coke really care about people, both are against you, but in that instance definitely the dems were the ones to show things really are. Likewise with the RFK censorship hearing, where they tried to censor him in the ultimate of irony. Those are examples of how hearings with people with actual provable information go. Grusch's was just a bunch of nothing with no actual evidence but unfortunately people ate it up like it meant something.
(2023-08-03, 05:30 PM)Brian Wrote: [ -> ]I think it is good here that we are starting to discuss the protocols and attitudes rather than the individual case. As quoted on this site:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danidiplaci...velations/
This type of post doesn't belong in the ECP forum, as previously explained, more than once.
A good summary of the current situation, in a new article in The Hill, at
https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/4...s-looming/ :
Quote:When asked during the July 26 congressional hearing whether he believes that the U.S. government possesses UFOs, Grusch stated, “Absolutely, based on interviewing over 40 witnesses over four years.”
Grusch continued, “I know the exact locations [of retrieved UFOs], and those locations were provided to the inspector general and…to the [congressional] intelligence committees.” Critically, Grusch stated, “I actually had the people with the first-hand knowledge provide a protected disclosure to the inspector general.”
It is unlikely that Grusch, speaking to Congress under oath, would perjure himself so brazenly over such specific, falsifiable facts, particularly with his high-profile attorney sitting directly behind him.
To that end, it is safe to assume that more than three dozen individuals did indeed tell Grusch of a decades-long UFO retrieval and reverse-engineering program, and that those with “first-hand knowledge” provided corroborating information to the intelligence community inspector general.
One theory for Grusch’s allegations is that the individuals he interviewed became convinced that decades-old myths and rumors of ultra-secret UFO retrieval and reverse-engineering programs are true. However, given the significant penalties for making false statements to an inspector general, it is extremely unlikely that multiple high-level, highly-cleared officials would falsely claim to have first-hand knowledge of myths and rumors.
Senator Rubio and Rep. Mike Gallagher (R-Wis.), a member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, have stated that multiple individuals with first-hand knowledge of Grusch’s allegations have spoken to Congress.
Rubio put it succinctly: “Either what [Grusch] is saying is partially true or entirely true, or we have some really smart, educated people with high clearances and very important positions in our government who are crazy and are leading us on a goose chase.”
“Most of these people,” Rubio continued, “have held very high clearances and high positions within our government. So, you ask yourself: ‘What incentive would so many people with that kind of qualification — these are serious people — have to come forward and make something up?’”
This leaves two extraordinary possibilities — that Grusch is correct and elements within and outside of the U.S. government oversee a decades-old UFO retrieval and reverse-engineering effort – a profound, paradigm-shifting development — or, to quote Grusch, “multiple esteemed and credentialed current and former” government officials “with a long-standing track record of legitimacy and service to this country” are engaging in a brazen disinformation campaign.
As Sen. Rubio stated, if Grusch is correct, “there’s a group of people who believe that they possess something that they don’t need to share with anybody, including elected officials, who they view as temporary employees of the government.”
Rubio likened such a dynamic to “an internal military complex that’s their own government and is accountable to no one” which, (in itself) ultimately “would be a huge problem..."
(2023-08-05, 01:27 AM)nbtruthman Wrote: [ -> ]A good summary of the current situation, in a new article in The Hill, at https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/4...s-looming/
Very interesting. Along with the excerpts you quoted, I found it interesting that legislation has been introduced to exercise "eminent domain" over all UFO materials in the USA, and that separate legislation has been introduced to halt funding for illegal programmes, and to require disclosure, with legal immunity when reported in a specified time frame.
As things unfold, there is more info to figure in. My assessment to date:
There is no indication in the technological marketplace that any of these alien technology reverse engineering SAP projects that apparently have been carried out for at least 50 years have actually succeeded in coming up with anything significant. They have unanimously been failures. Signs of success would be radical new technologies actually being commercialized and also applied to weapons development that seem to come out of the blue, with no long history of slow and thorough step by step human trial and error effort. Also expected would be that these developments would involve revolutionary or paradigmatic scientific significance.
There's been absolutely nothing like this, so there has been no successful alien tech reverse engineering. Judge the tree by its fruit. It would be extremely unlikely that any successfully derived new alien technology would not be commercialized and, especially, used against our enemies in the various wars we have fought in the many years since the advent of the UFOs.
Actually, that is to be expected, since aliens thousands to possibly millions of years more advanced than humans would have technologies and scientific knowledge vastly beyond our comprehension and ability to analyze. For an analogy, just consider the hypothetical attempt by circa 1850 scientists and engineers to "reverse engineer" a modern smart phone that somehow came into their possession - they would be completely unable to do anything with it. They wouldn't even have microscopes able to resolve the detailed structure of the gigabyte computer chips with millions of logic gates, in addition to not having the basic advanced science and theory necessary to understand digital logic, semiconductors, etc. They would be prevented from understanding the smart phone technology by many generations and millions of man-hours of scientific conceptual development, and not having the tools to make the tools to make the tools, and so on.
And this example is with only a gulf of 150 or so years of human development, not thousands or millions.
I think that it is very likely that recovered crashed UFO alien vehicles exist, along with long-term associated reverse engineering SAPs. The existence of such SAP programs has a lot of evidence, the least of which is the anomalously high number of UFO sightings during the 1960s and 1970s that were associated with sightings of mysterious Air Force fighter planes (often F-4 Phantoms) apparently investigating the occurrence. Exactly what would be expected if a special unit of Air Force fighter aircraft (with special weapon system and sensor modifications) had the duty of immediately going to the area of the UFO "Flap" and even perhaps to aggressively try to down the UFOs (I hope not this), and also to determine any crash sites in order to direct special ground parties to investigate. My impression is that this was the period of time of the formation of the present crash retrieval SAPs, when the intent was to aggressively attempt to whisk away for analysis all finds of such super-advanced technology.
But these reverse engineering efforts can be expected to have failed to yield much of anything and sure enough did so based on the lack of any observed results. Due to greed for the continuing untraceable funding, these SAPs were then deliberately continued despite such universal failure, and have inevitably been a vast waste of taxpayer dollars, the continued over years funneling of huge sums into defense contractor coffers with no practical result.
Probably this situation became apparent early on, back in the 1950s or 1960s, but corporate greed dictated that the (useless) effort would continue long past the point of diminishing returns, because it was hugely profitable. Because of the ultra-high classification level and the Pentagon organization it has been an inexaustable gold mine with no oversight by Congress and independent of political administrations.
So in summary, I think that the most likely scenario is a partial truth: that there really is a long-term over a considerable span of years special access above top secret program or programs set up to attempt to reverse engineer crashed UFO artifacts, all while maintaining absolute secrecy independent even of the Presidency. It has been successful in retrieving the artifacts, but it has been totally unsuccessful in actually analyzing the crashed technology, and the SAPs are being kept alive artificially by sheer greed for the endless supply of funding free (until very recently) of Congressional oversight.
In this scenario, all the "whistle blower" witnesses testifying before Congress and Pentagon Inspector Generals are describing the real activities of a real ultra-secret subgovernment body that has developed under the surface in the Pentagon, where various contractor facilities and Air Force bases probably are used to secretly store the alien artifacts and perhaps NHI remains.