(2022-03-31, 11:00 PM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: [ -> ]The paper goes into it...Seems to get complex so not sure there is an easy definition but from what I am gathering it is about taking paranormal phenomena as a whole and seeking to understand UFOs in that context...
Quote:"Here he (Esbjörn-Hargens) explains that non-human intelligence can be thought of as natural to the earth (faeries and elementals), from outer space (i.e., ETs), or from celestial realms (angels and devas). His “integral” approach involves taking into consideration the huge spectrum of possibilities as evidenced in the academic, esoteric, and UFOlogical literature. He maintains that no single approach is sufficient to capture the complexity of the phenomena."
I think this integrative approach is not the best one to make any sense of the UFO phenomena. The most likely case is that the separate types of phenomena originate from ontologically different sources or intelligent agents, that may or may not be fully aware of each other, and need to be investigated separately. I would add that extra-dimensional beings, time-travelers, and entities from spiritual realms of existence could be added to the list above as other possible ontologically separate types of intelligent entities involved with the overall UFO phenomenon.
In particular, the many cases of visual/photographic observation and EM radio, radar and ELINT interaction with clearly structured alien aerial vehicles controlled by some form of intelligence constitute strong evidence that at least one distinct category of the UFO phenomenon probably consists of actual nuts and bolts manufactured vehicles piloted by ETIs probably from some other part of this physical universe. I think this category may be very different and distinct from the other types of UFO-related (paranomal) phenomena, and need to be investigated as a separate level of existence - nuts and bolts physical. These are probably physical ETIs using a very highly advanced physical technology and may not really be much related at all to whatever beings are responsible for other types of interactions.
I think Jacques Vallee makes a similar error regarding study of the UFO phenomenon, insisting that the entire array of disparate phenomena be investigated at once to try to make sense of it, which poses a vastly greater burden on the researchers and makes it vastly less likely to come up with some sort of understanding in a reasonable amount of time.
(2022-04-03, 03:44 PM)nbtruthman Wrote: [ -> ]I think this integrative approach is not the best one to make any sense of the UFO phenomena. The most likely case is that the separate types of phenomena originate from ontologically different sources or intelligent agents, that may or may not be fully aware of each other, and need to be investigated separately. I would add that extra-dimensional beings, time-travelers, and entities from spiritual realms of existence could be added to the list above as other possible ontologically separate types of intelligent entities involved with the overall UFO phenomenon.
That's what the paper is about?
I ploughed through about half of the paper, and my conclusion is that the most impressive thing about it is the author's name: Sean Esbjörn-Hargens.
He seems to have taken the process of classifying the various phenomena to an absurd extreme while constantly admitting that many of these phenomena could be equally well classified in various ways.
Waffle!
(2022-04-03, 08:37 PM)David001 Wrote: [ -> ]I ploughed through about half of the paper, and my conclusion is that the most impressive thing about it is the author's name: Sean Esbjörn-Hargens.
He seems to have taken the process of classifying the various phenomena to an absurd extreme while constantly admitting that many of these phenomena could be equally well classified in various ways.
Waffle!
Yeah it's all a bit arbitrary and I think some of this classification was unnecessary...OTOH I think part of his goal is to just lay some foundations down.
But I do think this is sort of the way academia goes, putting things into a language that is acceptable to that in-group. Not exactly the same, but akin to the work Kastrup did starting with writing in New Dawn to getting articles published in Scientific American.
Quote:While questions obviously remain regarding the accuracy or reliability of such information, it appears that transpersonal messages often provide a sense of comfort or reassurance for the receiver.
I'm guessing that such reassurance may come from being reminded of things that we already know, but have temporarily forgotten.
(2022-11-23, 03:06 PM)Typoz Wrote: [ -> ]I'm guessing that such reassurance may come from being reminded of things that we already know, but have temporarily forgotten.
“There are no ordinary people. You have never talked to a mere mortal. Nations, cultures, arts, civilisations - these are mortal, and their life is to ours as the life of a gnat. But it is immortals whom we joke with, work with, marry, snub and exploit - immortal horrors or everlasting splendours.”
- C.S. Lewis, The Weight of Glory.