(2017-09-04, 07:45 PM)Max_B Wrote: [ -> ]Oh, I see, you haven't read one of Radin's experiments... You don't know about the Omm chant and richly harmonic sounds played through speakers and headphones which feeds back through the device, so that it gets louder during concentration periods...
Hold on, Radin specifically said it was played through noise cancelling headphones, not through speakers. I really feel you're being misleading now (and not explaining why the online experiments also got positive results without anything being played through headphones or speakers).
Why is that one relevant? He said that Guerrer used the setup from those that used headphones.
(2017-09-04, 03:47 PM)deanradin Wrote: [ -> ]One of the reasons I hardly ever respond to critics in online forms is that it's not possible in this format to explain experimental results, analyses, historical context, etc., in sufficient detail to satisfy everyone. There is always a "Max" out there. So I prefer to put my time into writing articles for peer-reviewed professional journals and in encouraging other qualified scientists to try to replicate our work.
That said, I'm glad that forums like this exist. These topics are interesting and important, but not everyone is interested in or adept in understanding all of the technical details. That's why I write popular books, and even then I get criticisms that they are still too technical. There's no pleasing everyone.
As for the Guerrer replication, the important point is that it was a completely independent study. I saw his preprint at the same time as everyone else and I wasn't involved in any aspect of his work. He did visit our lab early on to learn in detail how we conducted our experiments, which is sound practice for anyone interested in conducting a replication. By visiting another researcher's lab you quickly gain a sense about the competence of the investigators, you can examine the equipment and testing environment first-hand, and through all that you can decide if the reported results are credible enough to go to the considerable effort of conducting a replication. We spent time discussing many alternative explanations for what we had observed, including systematic fluctuations in sound and building vibrations, variations in ambient temperature due to movements of the human body, subtle changes in magnetic and electromagnetic fields, etc.
No one experiment is ever going to be perfect, but when you start to see converging independent replications (and within psi research there are many), that's a good sign.
- Dean Radin
Dean Radin have you seen this blog?
http://americanloons.blogspot.co.uk/2014...radin.html
Or this article:
http://www.csicop.org/si/show/when_big_e...upernormal
How do you respond to such criticisms about your research?
(2017-09-04, 09:41 PM)Dante Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, those are two reputable sources that I am sure will hurt his feelings very much
Great spots you hang out at there Leuders. Quite a cesspool of knowledge.
(2017-09-04, 09:41 PM)Dante Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, those are two reputable sources that I am sure will hurt his feelings very much
I think that bringing them up speaks more of the standards of who posted them than Radin himself, to be honest. Its like someone posting a fundamentalist site that links psi to witchcraft and uses Deuteromy 18:9 as the reference.
AW... Going back to the actual study... Why exactly is the 2015 study that used speakers relevant, when Dean already noted that Guerrer used the variant with the headphones? That question is still there waiting for an answer, Max.
(2017-09-04, 08:37 PM)Max_B Wrote: [ -> ]Very last time... after this I'm ignoring your whining accusations until you do some research yourself... like reading a study paper for once in your life... and trying to make sense of it yourself
I've already linked you to a Radin study from 2015 that used speakers...
Quote from Exp II "...feedback tone was provided by speakers rather than headphones..."
Don't be rude, you're all over the place and you still haven't answered my questions (because you can't).
(2017-09-04, 08:40 PM)UMax_B Wrote: [ -> ]That logic is buggered...
Not really, I'm using your logic on you Max. It's clearly not due to sound caused by meditators, or some other vibrational noise, or the feedback noise. If it was the online experiments, ones without speakers etc wouldn't get a positive effect. Why can't you admit you're wrong?