(2017-09-03, 08:14 PM)Max_B Wrote: [ -> ]which paper...?
Any of Radin's, let's say the one you took the picture from. Why do meditators do better if it's due to sound?
(2017-09-03, 08:37 PM)Max_B Wrote: [ -> ]Which paper?
You can just say 'there is no reason that meditators would do better if the results were due to sound' you know.
(2017-09-03, 09:02 PM)Max_B Wrote: [ -> ]You could just point me at the paper, and explain what specific parts of it you think are significant...
I did, the paper which you got the picture from. The meditators did much better then non meditators did - if it's due to sound why is this the case?
(2017-09-03, 09:18 PM)Max_B Wrote: [ -> ]To help you... here's the paper that the photo came from...
http://www.quantumbiosystems.org/admin/f...082-98.pdf
As you're already aware they don't go into detail in the paper. Radin and Guerrer both have said meditators do better then non meditators at this experiment (Guerrer mentioned this in his paper, I've seen Radin say it in various talks), the audio feedback has been in every experiment, has it not? So why the difference if the feedback is causing the effect? Please answer, if you dodge again I'll have to assume you aren't answering as we both know it disproves you point.
(2017-09-03, 09:32 PM)Max_B Wrote: [ -> ]If you can't show willing, I'm not wasting my time. Put up, or shut up.
I have put up, Guerrer mentions it in his paper! Anyway I'm assuming you aren't responding as you know you're wrong on this one, thanks for your time anyway.
A total layman here, but I think any challenger unwilling to put challenging questions in front of the experimenter is very poor form. It seems to clearly say something about the conviction of the challenger's views.
Especially for a forum that seems to be comprised of folks expressing an interest in truth/evidence/etc.
(2017-09-03, 10:46 AM)Max_B Wrote: [ -> ]>
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Sound energy therefore caused the changes they measured in the fringe recordings of this very sensitive device.
Sorry, but not so. The feedback in our lab studies, and in Dr. Guerrer's, was provided over noise-cancelling headphones. For our online studies all of the participants were tens to thousands of kilometers away from the apparatus. So sound vibration was not the cause of the observed effects.
- Dean Radin
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(2017-09-04, 12:13 AM)deanradin Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry, but not so. The feedback in our lab studies, and in Dr. Guerrer's, was provided over noise-cancelling headphones. For our online studies all of the participants were tens to thousands of kilometers away from the apparatus. So sound vibration was not the cause of the observed effects.
- Dean Radin
I was hoping that we could get feedback from someone involved in the actual setup (speculating over photos was getting us nowhere). Thanks for your time, Dean.
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