(2018-07-09, 05:48 PM)Hurmanetar Wrote: [ -> ]I don't see why a dream can't be a mixture of metaphor and literal?
A dream can be whatever but if you're going to believe that you knew something before it happened does that make sense when it all had to be interpreted into existence after the fact rather than reacted on in the moment because you already had the pre knowledge to react to?
Quote:No.
Well then how can you say it was pre cognition of that hardware store when It could just as easily be any other place that has those features.
Quote:The feeling was the same in the dream as in this RH store. We had been to several RH stores before, but this RH in the Domain in Austin was by far the largest and fanciest I'd ever been to. It had 4 floors and over 60,000 square feet with a high ceiling in the center with stair cases and balcony. There was the strong arch element and in my dream I remember looking left and right and seeing more rooms with fancy furniture and that is how this RH store was laid out.
Well I suppose the feeling is something but that's pretty weak if that's all there really is.
Quote:Regarding the concrete, I made a remark specifically about the concrete as we walked into the RH store that "it is just concrete, but RH even somehow makes the concrete look chic and fancy."
The buildings in my dream and the buildings IRL were about the same size and height - maybe 5-10 stories. Again, I'm sure it wasn't exactly the same scene in my dream as IRL, but the same feeling was created.
I suppose if it's similar enough to account for any memory fading and such then yeah that's probably more than just metaphor.
Quote:Again, I'm not sure why it has to be either/or unless you're just trying to have a rigorous standard for some reason.
I've heard lots of people claim of dream symbols turning into real life things on the internet, it usually goes something like this:
"I had a dream of a dark cloud and now I'm scared that something bad is gong to happen because dark clouds are bad omens".
[They spill their coffee during the day]
"Oh wow I thought something bad would happen because of my dream and it did! I must be psychic!"
It helps to have some standards so you're not just kidding yourself. My rigour, which admittedly isn't perfect, helps me have stronger, more accurate experiences more often.
Quote:I had a pre-cog dream in college that was very literal in some ways and very symbolic in others. I feel very confident in saying it was a pre-cog dream for several reasons... I prayed for a meaningful dream before I went to bed, I woke up laughing at how silly I thought the dream was and I thought there was no way it could mean anything... I told the dream to a couple people that day... the dream was about a girl complaining about a guy named Jim who she claimed made a pass at her, but in reality she made a pass at him and he rejected her and she was trying to turn things around and claim to be the victim of discrimination. All that happened later that same day: a female acquaintance wanted to go out to dinner with me and the whole time she complained about her drama with another mutual acquaintance named Jim and Jim liked her, but she didn't like him, but now he didn't want to hang out with her because some other people had warned him about her... She went on about this drama for like an hour and I got so tired of hearing it I tried to change the subject so I randomly thought to start telling her about my silly dream, and then I started laughing because I realized it was exactly what was happening right then. There was a symbolic element in the dream in that she was black, but I knew in the dream that she wasn't actually a black person, she was taking a pill to change her appearance and make herself black and then claiming discrimination. In the same way this girl wasn't really the victim, but she was trying to make herself appear to be so.
That one sounds a lot more solid.
By the way, here's what I'd consider a solid precognitive experience:
So one day I was playing a game called Dino Crisis 2, never played it before, never watched anything about it before. I'm walking through one corridor of this facility when I remember a vision I had of this exact corridor. In the the player avatar walked down the corridor and at a certain part a large blue dinosaur busts through the wall and hits them. I went with the vision to see what would happen and was able to avoid the cheap hit. There were no metaphors, there were no symbols, there was the
exact scene, the
exact camera angle, the
exact player avatar, the
exact jump and wall break animation, The only difference was that "this time" I knew it was coming and I shot it as it leapt through the wall instead of getting sideswiped like in the vision. That's what counts as legitimate pre cognition to me.
And for contrast here's another I had that doesn't make the cut:
A dream I had where I went to go handwash dishes. There was a box of powder beside the sink which was labelled as dish soap. I put on some rubber gloves and if I remember correctly I start washing dishes. I hear this faint crackling noise coming from the cupboard but I can't figure out what it is. Then I notice one of the dishes int he sink is getting a hole eaten right through it. I think I suspected it might be the powder at that point. I notice that one of my gloves is sticking to a part of my hand. I pour water over it trying to rinse off any of the powder but that makes it worse. I realize that it probably reacts with water. I get the glove off my hand but the acid is slowly eating through it
I freak out and tell Dreamsoap about it and to read the box for any information on what the hell it even is. I show my mom my hand who's skin has been melted through exposing the muscle around the thumb area on the back and front, some of the skin has separated from the muscle as it's melting through underneath making the now loose skin blister. She goes to touch it and I snap at her not to touch it
She gets annoyed at me saying I didn't need to swear or be rude or whatever. I tell her to shut up and call poison control. She's annoyed at my "attitude" and leaves. Eventually returning on the phone, we coordinatete with them to find out what the specific chemicals are and the tell us some specific counter mix to pour on it to neutralize it. I wake up thinking there's no way my mom would be so stupid she'd put her own personal offendedness above someone elses physical safety. Because I know that my dreams sometimes greatly exaggerate some personality traits in other people. Making them act in ways in dreams that they would never actually act. There are many examples of this.
Now here's what happened the very next evening:
Dreamsoap and I are watching a friends dog at my family's house during the winter. It's little terrier of some type. At one point we hear him faintly whining from what sounds like the outside. Neither of us remember sending him outside. We freak out a bit when we can't find him in the house. It's night time and I'm blind so I try to get a flashlight from my dad to help Dreamsoap search outside. At one point my mom shows up and I'm flustered and she has almost exactly the same reaction she had in my dream the night before. Getting all offended that I said a "bad word" instead of helping search for a dog we don't even own that might be injured or in danger. I react extra badly to this because of the dream the night before and my belief that there's no way she'd be that dumb. In the end my mom found the dog upstairs. It got itself locked in a bedroom. the faint whining was coming through the vent in the basement which distorted it and made it sound like it was coming from outside.
Now you could argue that that dream was pre cognitive. I mean there was a crisis that you could
metaphorically say that I perceived was as bad as the one in the dream and then it got resolved partly by my mom calling poison control which could
symbolize my mom finding the dog. And it had the same sequence of events where something bad happened, we freaked out a bit, my mom acted dumb, and then things resolve.
But that's the point, you'd have to
argue for it, it wasn't really there. It would all be metaphors and symbols and feelings and other nonesense that I'd have to invent in my own mind in order to make a connection that isn't really there. The only thing that was almost literal was my moms reaction. But it doesn't matter because I can easily think of dozens of other dreams with similarly extreme reactions that have no coorelation to the real world. One out of a hundred "going live" is a coincidence, not a premonition. ergo, it's not a pre cognitive experience.