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The Penn Ghost Project
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We Asked An Expert Why People Believe In—and Hunt—Ghosts

Justin McDaniel, one of the founders of the Penn Ghost Project, an interdisciplinary group of academics that explores humanity's relationship with the otherworldly.


When you think of ghosts, what comes to mind? Translucent floating objects with peculiarly cutout black eyeholes? Dead spirits that roam around dilapidated abandoned buildings? King Hamlet? At the University of Pennsylvania, a group of professors—all from different academic backgrounds—have come together to ask themselves this very question. Taking an interdisciplinary approach to studying ghosts, members of The Penn Ghost Project have spent the better part of the last four years using "diverse explorations into...


https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/yvxxd...ctive-1030
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(11-04-2017, 05:21 PM)Steve001 Wrote: We Asked An Expert Why People Believe In—and Hunt—Ghosts

Justin McDaniel, one of the founders of the Penn Ghost Project, an interdisciplinary group of academics that explores humanity's relationship with the otherworldly.


When you think of ghosts, what comes to mind? Translucent floating objects with peculiarly cutout black eyeholes? Dead spirits that roam around dilapidated abandoned buildings? King Hamlet? At the University of Pennsylvania, a group of professors—all from different academic backgrounds—have come together to ask themselves this very question. Taking an interdisciplinary approach to studying ghosts, members of The Penn Ghost Project have spent the better part of the last four years using "diverse explorations into...


https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/yvxxd...ctive-1030

You seem to be laying down a lot of "bait" today, Steve. Are you feeling particularly combative or are you just bored ?
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(11-04-2017, 09:05 PM)tim Wrote: You seem to be laying down a lot of "bait" today, Steve. Are you feeling particularly combative or are you just bored ?

I posted this because someone just may find it interesting.
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Well, Steve, for once I thought I might agree that this looks interesting. But as I read the interview this statement leapt out:

Quote:We don't think that there really is any evidence for the existence of ghosts and so we're not concerned about it. What we are concerned about is the sociological and cultural reality of ghosts—meaning that regardless [of whether] they exist or not, they have an impact on economics (for example in real estate sales), they have an impact on literature and movies ...

Sorry but how belief in ghosts affects real estate prices is not even close to interesting for me.
"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud.” ― C.G. Jung
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(11-04-2017, 10:40 PM)Kamarling Wrote: Well, Steve, for once I thought I might agree that this looks interesting. But as I read the interview this statement leapt out:


Sorry but how belief in ghosts affects real estate prices is not even close to interesting for me.

Golly! One would think you're the sole member of this forum wouldn't they now?
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I wasn't suggesting I was, I was responding to your post. if you don't want responses, don't post.
"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud.” ― C.G. Jung
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(11-04-2017, 11:06 PM)Steve001 Wrote: Golly! One would think you're the sole member of this forum wouldn't they now?

I'm sincerely curious why you keep setting up threads about phenomena which you don't accept there is any evidence for ? I do believe in ghosts... if the definition is "spirits" or the "detached consciousness" of the "dead."

I don't mind you doing it, it's probably irresistible, like bear-baiting (not a very good analogy) is to some (I'm not saying you) but I'm amazed at how ignorant or wilfully ignorant you appear to be, in respect of the evidence that supports what you are so clearly certain, cannot be.
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(11-04-2017, 11:21 PM)tim Wrote: I'm sincerely curious why you keep setting up threads about phenomena which you don't accept there is any evidence for ? I do believe in ghosts... if the definition is "spirits" or the "detached consciousness" of the "dead."

I don't mind you doing it, it's probably irresistible, like bear-baiting (not a very good analogy) is to some (I'm not saying you) but I'm amazed at how ignorant or wilfully ignorant you appear be, in respect of the evidence that supports what you are so clearly certain, cannot be.
Sometimes I post something that may be interesting to someone, believe it or not. Trust me I'm not posting this for your edification or Kar's or to irritate (you two). When I see a topic and I see a lot (some by written by both of you) I have no interest in do you know what I do?  I keep my mouth shut as I feel no obligation or compulsion to make a comment of any sort.  I wonder if either of you can demonstrate the same restraint? Hope springs eternal.
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(11-04-2017, 11:51 PM)Steve001 Wrote: Sometimes I post something that may be interesting to someone, believe it or not. Trust me I'm not posting this for your edification or Kar's or to irritate (you two). When I see a topic and I see a lot (some by written by both of you) I have no interest in do you know what I do?  I keep my mouth shut as I feel no obligation or compulsion to make a comment of any sort.  I wonder if either of you can demonstrate the same restraint? Hope springs eternal.

Wait, so let's have a crack at understanding your logic here. You post something assuming someone will find it interesting (let's ignore the fact that your posts always contain something you imagine will support your POV). Then, when someone comments that they do not find it interesting, you object and say they should shut up, right? So you only want responses which agree with your assessment that the content is interesting - in other words, you only want to hear from people who agree with you?
"I shall not commit the fashionable stupidity of regarding everything I cannot explain as a fraud.” ― C.G. Jung
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(11-04-2017, 05:21 PM)Steve001 Wrote: We Asked An Expert Why People Believe In—and Hunt—Ghosts

Justin McDaniel, one of the founders of the Penn Ghost Project, an interdisciplinary group of academics that explores humanity's relationship with the otherworldly.


When you think of ghosts, what comes to mind? Translucent floating objects with peculiarly cutout black eyeholes? Dead spirits that roam around dilapidated abandoned buildings? King Hamlet? At the University of Pennsylvania, a group of professors—all from different academic backgrounds—have come together to ask themselves this very question. Taking an interdisciplinary approach to studying ghosts, members of The Penn Ghost Project have spent the better part of the last four years using "diverse explorations into...


https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/yvxxd...ctive-1030

For years I used to take the mick out of my ex partner for having an interest in ghosts, nothing serious, just watching and reading about them, I thought it was all hogwash. Then I had my ‘hypnopompic’ hallucination in 2007, which was somewhat unsettling, but I put it down to a thought-form type hallucination, where a dream had somehow intruded on reality, as I was waking up.

Without telling me, my ex did a load of historical investigation into what I recalled seeing, and that research changed my mind somewhat. I then did more of my own research. I also started looking into other famous cases of apparitions, and finally decided it was sound enough to incorporate my experience, with my other anomalous childhood out-of-body experience. Since then, I decided to look at near death OBE's too, and have gone much much further in my personal research.

Nowdays I can't think of apparitional-type experiences in the same naive way I used to. The overwhelming majority of the stories I hear, I tend to dismiss... but there are a few gems in amongst them.

Celia Green and Charles McCreery did a great factual study on ghosts, published in their book "Apparitions". In their conclusion, they suggest that when people see an apparition, not only is the figure of the apparition hallucinatory, but the rest of the percipient's environment as well.

Celia's ideas really did make sense to me, and lead me down a new route looking at perception, although I've moved on now, it really helped to set me on a course where I could let go of naive childhood ideas of direct perception. My ideas are more nuanced now... but the general idea remains that people seem able to gain access to information anomalously, information that has been somehow dislocated from the way we normally expect to obtain information.

I reckon we go about our daily lives, completely oblivious that 100% of our experiences are obtained through the same mechanisms that anomalous apparitional-type experiences are gained. Just occasionally, the information contained in an unexpected dislocation is sufficiently far away from what one is expecting, that it stands out as being anomalous.

It certainly seems to me, that my experiences are the result of processing information... that is accessing information, altering it, and then storing it again... and that this information is shared.

It seems pretty clear to me now, that information is probably not stored quite the way we think it is. Our way of understanding nature certainly works, because it explains most of the things we experience. It's just the odd experience or two, or the odd scientific experiment that captures an effect that suggests something may be wrong about how we understand nature. Nothing that really affects our observations, and certainly nothing yet strong enough that we can replace our current understanding with something even more accurate, but we obviously are heading towards a new generalization and simplification of our theories.
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