Most common dreams across borders

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(2022-03-15, 12:04 AM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: Falling Water?

Quote: The story of three unrelated people, who slowly realize that they are dreaming separate parts of a single common dream. Each of them is on a mysterious and highly personal quest - one is searching for his missing girlfriend, one is searching for a lost child, one is looking to cure his catatonic mother - and it is the clues found in their collective dream that come to guide them.

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(2022-03-14, 08:35 AM)Laird Wrote: Going back to this earlier post: I find this fascinating, tim. In the dream, did you understand the Italian that you were speaking fluently, or was it simply flowing through you without your comprehension? Were you talking to other Italians in the dream, and if so, did you understand what they were saying too? And did you remember enough of it when you woke up to check that the words/grammar/etc were genuine Italian and not some alternative dream version?
Dreams are very personal and dream "reading" is best in the hands of experienced interpreters.  I want to only comment on the objective outlook of what has been posted.

Dreams deal in two of my favorite ideas - synchronicity and telepathy.  Dreams of adventure and travel might speak to inner feelings.  They may relate to possible courses of action in your real life.  Hence, the synchronicity between dreams and real world probabilities.  Dreams seem to "leak" real world meanings.

The different language dream, may just be communication or understanding that is being shared.  I have had dreams like that and in the end I was left with a feeling of connection with another mind.
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(2022-03-15, 01:19 PM)stephenw Wrote: Dreams are very personal and dream "reading" is best in the hands of experienced interpreters.


I tend to agree but it can hardly be an exact 'science', interpreting them, I would have thought. There must be many assumptions that can't ever be tested.
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(2022-03-16, 11:08 AM)tim Wrote: I tend to agree but it can be hardly be an exact 'science', interpreting them, I would have thought. There must be many assumptions that can't ever be tested.

That there is no exact physical testing, doesn't exclude mapping in informational science terms.  There, the sciences of linguistics and semiotics - combined with tracking outcomes resulting from ordering and organizing - can map causal routes.  The fundamentals in dreams are symbols and subconscious meanings and they are the measurables.  Motives are not exact, but their outcomes become specific.

In simple terms, if you had a dream of adventure and then find inspiration to be active in seeking new experiences, there is a causal connection.  The cause is not the movement of molecules.  The cause is from behavioral goals developed by a person's mind.

While not exact to measurement standards, like meters or amps, outcomes of behavior can be mapped to the development of goals.  Either you sit at home or you go out and experience.  A simple yes/no creates 1 bit of objective information from an outcome.

Maybe it takes exposure to someone who dreamed something that had meaningful information about a real world situation and caused an outcome.  Years ago my wife produced such an event, so I have no choice but to know it happens.
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(2022-03-16, 12:32 PM)stephenw Wrote: Maybe it takes exposure to someone who dreamed something that had meaningful information about a real world situation and caused an outcome.  Years ago my wife produced such an event, so I have no choice but to know it happens.
 
This bit, I fully agree with, Stephen but the rest I can't understand, sorry.  Just one point, though... 

(2022-03-16, 12:32 PM)stephenw Wrote: The cause is from behavioral goals developed by a person's mind.
  
...a person's mind ? Isn't the person the mind ? I suppose you could argue that astral bodies (and I do now suspect we have an astral body as fanciful as that sounds---it could be a projection of the mind and vice versa) have a mind but I don't think you accept notions of that order, which is entirely understandable as I didn't used to but the reports are coming in thick and fast.
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(2022-03-16, 03:21 PM)tim Wrote:  ...a person's mind ? Isn't the person the mind ? I suppose you could argue that astral bodies (and I do now suspect we have an astral body as fanciful as that sounds---it could be a projection of the mind and vice versa) have a mind but I don't think you accept notions of that order, which is entirely understandable as I didn't used to but the reports are coming in thick and fast.
The term astral body has some history and it is something to be considered.  My own view and reading is that astral body is not the mind, both are in a reciprocal relationship.  The term spiritual body seems to have the same meaning.  The spiritual mind and body may be an analogous relation to that of a physical body and the natural mind.

Observing human behavior there appears a similar set-up.  An objective version of the natural and spiritual mind is found in the legal term character.  The law doesn't require a spiritually active response and the character of a saint, but only behavior of natural empathy as defined by laws.  

You won't be be charged for lack of love (spiritual mind), but you can have past outcomes speak to your character, defined by how you treat and respect others.  Character can been seen as fixed and predictable responses and the output pattern can condemn a person.

I would see a person's character as real structure that comes form objectively patterned mental output to enable social interaction.  That structure is measurable as to outcomes and can be an information object. ie you can create a simulation of a person's behavior as an expression of character.

spiritual judgement, well way over my head
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(2022-03-16, 06:36 PM)stephenw Wrote: The term astral body has some history and it is something to be considered.  My own view and reading is that astral body is not the mind, both are in a reciprocal relationship.  The term spiritual body seems to have the same meaning.  The spiritual mind and body may be an analogous relation to that of a physical body and the natural mind.

Thanks, Stephen, I'm causing this thread to go off topic so I'll just say this. Scientifically (of course) astral, spiritual  bodies etc are mere esoteric fantasies. We can reasonably talk about consciousness (whatever that is) or the mind.

(2022-03-16, 06:36 PM)stephenw Wrote: I would see a person's character as real structure that comes form objectively patterned mental output to enable social interaction.  That structure is measurable as to outcomes and can be an information object. ie you can create a simulation of a person's behavior as an expression of character.

I (prefer to?) see a person's character as an aspect of how they have developed and shaped themselves. But that has to take into account all the variables of which there are many. And I'll leave that there (off topic)
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(2022-03-15, 01:19 PM)stephenw Wrote: Dreams are very personal and dream "reading" is best in the hands of experienced interpreters. 

That sentence is self-contradictory. It juxtaposes two very different interests or forces. What the individual person needs is likely to be at odds with potentially misleading external bodies.

I'd always recommend self-analysis. What a dream means is best understood by the experiencer. That is, a person having a dream is in the best position to understand what it means. This comes with experience. It starts with paying attention to dreams, any of them, just get in the habit of observing one's own dreams. After a while, how they relate to waking life starts to become apparent. Patterns emerge. Sometimes deeply personal things which would be hard to express in words can be vividly understood in the language of dreams.

I've found wit, humour, wisdom, precognition, advice, support and encouragement all coming via my dreams. That is to say, dreams are in and of themselves a support channel, a way in which we can travel our path through life with a built-in navigation system and support network. The wisdom of dreams continues to be something I depend upon.

Dreams have also, from time to time, been a meeting place where the deceased have contacted me. There is usually no message. They haven't come to share anything other than their presence, their existence. These are quite rare, but are distinctly different from dreaming "about" someone. Dreaming about someone is more mundane, more like a storytelling, whether sense or nonsense.

I would not hand any of this over to some 'expert interpreter' to distort and degrade with their potential misunderstandings.

Having said that, there are times when we all need someone else to talk to, we call on others for support. I'm not suggesting we should never ask for help. It is definitely a good thing that we help one another when we can, and when in need, call upon others.
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