An Ode to Skepticism: Elder Gods of the Gaps

39 Replies, 5057 Views

(2018-10-12, 12:25 AM)Paul C. Anagnostopoulos Wrote: "In truth, the God of the Gaps concept says much more about prevailing paradigms of belief than it does the gaps themselves. In a Church-dominated culture, God and the paranormal were unjustly used to fill in these gaps. In today’s society, Materialism steps in, but seems immune to similar criticism in scientific discussion."

I don't understand this statement. It appears to suggest that scientists say "Materialism did it" and then drop the entire field of study, thinking that they have just given a complete explanation. I've never heard a scientist say this.

~~ Paul

That's not at all how I interpreted the quote.  Seems a straightforward point regarding the "faith" many materialists articulate; that science will ultimately explain as yet understood phenomena in materialistic terms.
[-] The following 3 users Like Silence's post:
  • Brian, Ninshub, The King in the North
Great article. On the Occam’s Razor angle - it’s only the simplest explanation which explains all the facts/observations. It’s often misapplied IMHO where large amounts of inconvenient data are simply ignored because they don’t fit the argument. 

Also how about “Skepsplaining”?
[-] The following 3 users Like Obiwan's post:
  • Brian, Valmar, Oleo
(2018-10-12, 12:25 AM)Paul C. Anagnostopoulos Wrote: "In truth, the God of the Gaps concept says much more about prevailing paradigms of belief than it does the gaps themselves. In a Church-dominated culture, God and the paranormal were unjustly used to fill in these gaps. In today’s society, Materialism steps in, but seems immune to similar criticism in scientific discussion."

I don't understand this statement. It appears to suggest that scientists say "Materialism did it" and then drop the entire field of study, thinking that they have just given a complete explanation. I've never heard a scientist say this.

~~ Paul

I think this is yet another case where the purported object of the attack would find the description of themselves unrecognizable.

And yet another mangling of Occam's Razor. Although, to be fair, I see Skeptics mangle it fairly regularly as well.

Linda
(This post was last modified: 2018-10-12, 11:58 PM by fls.)
(2018-10-12, 02:42 PM)Silence Wrote: That's not at all how I interpreted the quote.  Seems a straightforward point regarding the "faith" many materialists articulate; that science will ultimately explain as yet understood phenomena in materialistic terms.

Then why did the author compare that to God as an explanation for the unknown? The God explanation was (and is) supposed to be the permanent explanation. In science, unexplained problems are acknowledged as such.

~~ Paul
If the existence of a thing is indistinguishable from its nonexistence, we say that thing does not exist. ---Yahzi
(2018-10-14, 02:11 AM)Paul C. Anagnostopoulos Wrote:  In science, unexplained problems are acknowledged as such.

No, in science, unexplained problems are filled in with a theoretical model which quickly becomes believed in as a literal reality.  Black holes and dark matter are two good examples.
[-] The following 4 users Like Brian's post:
  • Valmar, The King in the North, Typoz, Obiwan
(2018-10-14, 09:04 AM)Brian Wrote: No, in science, unexplained problems are filled in with a theoretical model which quickly becomes believed in as a literal reality.  Black holes and dark matter are two good examples.

I'm not sure that I'd group black holes and dark matter together in the same category. Black holes are a prediction of the existing theory. On the other hand, dark matter was invented because observations didn't match existing theory, it was not a natural prediction arising from theory alone.
[-] The following 2 users Like Typoz's post:
  • Obiwan, Brian
(2018-10-14, 10:10 AM)Typoz Wrote: I'm not sure that I'd group black holes and dark matter together in the same category. Black holes are a prediction of the existing theory. On the other hand, dark matter was invented because observations didn't match existing theory, it was not a natural prediction arising from theory alone.

I can't remember if it was neutrinos or anti neutrinos that were invented out of this air to explain other observations in particle physics but if I recall they did actually find them later.
"The cure for bad information is more information."
(2018-10-14, 02:11 AM)Paul C. Anagnostopoulos Wrote: In science, unexplained problems are acknowledged as such.

Perhaps by many scientists, yes.  However, a vocal minority interject promissory notes when unexplained problems crop up; promissory that science will certainly explain the problem at some point.
[-] The following 1 user Likes Silence's post:
  • The King in the North
(2018-10-15, 02:27 PM)Silence Wrote: Perhaps by many scientists, yes.  However, a vocal minority interject promissory notes when unexplained problems crop up; promissory that science will certainly explain the problem at some point.

I'm not sure why this is interesting. They do expect science to explain the problem eventually, even if the nature of scientific explanations changes over time. What else could they say? Nope, I don't think science will ever explain this?

~~ Paul
If the existence of a thing is indistinguishable from its nonexistence, we say that thing does not exist. ---Yahzi
(2018-10-14, 09:04 AM)Brian Wrote: No, in science, unexplained problems are filled in with a theoretical model which quickly becomes believed in as a literal reality.  Black holes and dark matter are two good examples.

So then scientists stop working on those problems? Ooh, it's dark matter. We're done. Let's get a beer?

~~ Paul
If the existence of a thing is indistinguishable from its nonexistence, we say that thing does not exist. ---Yahzi

  • View a Printable Version
Forum Jump:


Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)