Yeah Tim I know what you mean, but it doesn't have to come to that; that doctors say; `fuck'm I ,cant treat him anymore, just euthanise him and free up the bed-space´.
Both Netherland and Austria, I think, has this right, for their patients, to decide when it's "enough", and it is not the doctor doing the final "push" so to speak - unless it is a patient that previously accepted to do this, but via circumstances of their illness enter coma or unconsciousness. They don't do this lightly, and it is a lengthy process, of sort, before doctor and patient agree.These rights, and procedures has been in the working in these countries for decades, and it hasn't escalated in to some; random euthanisa where doctors do this on random, without some rigorous procedures..
(2017-10-27, 12:43 PM)Pollux Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah Tim I know what you mean, but it doesn't have to come to that; that doctors say; `fuck'm I ,cant treat him anymore, just euthanise him and free up the bed-space´.
Both Netherland and Austria, I think, has this right, for their patients, to decide when it's "enough", and it is not the doctor doing the final "push" so to speak - unless it is a patient that previously accepted to do this, but via circumstances of their illness enter coma or unconsciousness. They don't do this lightly, and it is a lengthy process, of sort, before doctor and patient agree.These rights, and procedures has been in the working in these countries for decades, and it hasn't escalated in to some; random euthanisa where doctors do this on random, without some rigorous procedures..
Thanks, Pollux
I hear what you're saying but I don't have anything further to add other than I do not, nor will I ever...necessarily or automatically
trust in the good intentions of human beings.
The clear and urgent need for doctor-assisted euthanasia brings up the problems of so many channeled New Age teachings regarding it. Many such teachings claim that a person needs to "tough it out" to the last gasp in order to squeeze the last possible lesson and learning out of a physical life. And that terminating a life prematurely in any way probably will result in the person having to come back to complete the learning of whatever the lessons were that they came here to learn.
I think such teachings are perverse and extremely uncompassionate, and reflect a profound indifference to the inherent badness of human suffering. One interpretation (that is admittedly not very uplifting) is that this merely reflects a profound gap existing in consciousness between the human self, and the soul which presumably plans and manifests the physical life incarnation, a gap that seems wide enough for the two to really be two separate beings.
(2017-10-27, 05:05 PM)nbtruthman Wrote: [ -> ]The clear and urgent need for doctor-assisted euthanasia brings up the problems of so many channeled New Age teachings regarding it. Many such teachings claim that a person needs to "tough it out" to the last gasp in order to squeeze the last possible lesson and learning out of a physical life. And that terminating a life prematurely in any way probably will result in the person having to come back to complete the learning of whatever the lessons were that they came here to learn.
All 'death' is essentially suicide.