(2023-07-06, 06:11 PM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: [ -> ]I generally suspect fraud in physical mediumship cases so not too disappointed this one seems to have holes.
That said Jensen as a drop in was a good mediumship case...
That's exactly the reason why I did the research, and later contacted Haraldsson. The Jensen drop in case,
was a strong case, and I investigated it because the particular phenomena doesn't fit well with my ideas.
Haraldsson's research has been very challenging in the past, for example, the case of an apparition of a dead crew member on board an Icelandic fishing trawler at sea*, forced me to abandon earlier ideas, and I had to start over again. Another was the case of two sons who were 'followed' by the apparition of an old lady. When the father - a Psychiatrist at a mental hospital - returned home, the sons described the apparition of the old lady, who the father recognised as the description of a long term patient who had died that very day, and who's death had been on his mind all day.*
*The Departed Among the Living: An Investigative Study of Afterlife Encounters.
(2023-07-06, 06:11 PM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: [ -> ]I generally suspect fraud in physical mediumship cases so not too disappointed this one seems to have holes.
That said Jensen as a drop in was a good mediumship case...
Agreed. I definitely would've named it as one of the "best ever" spontaneous psi cases if someone had asked me and I'd remembered it at the time. That's pretty much why it getting killed off is unfortunate.
(2023-07-06, 06:48 PM)Max_B Wrote: [ -> ]That's exactly the reason why I did the research, and later contacted Haraldsson. The Jensen drop in case, was a strong case, and I investigated it because the particular phenomena doesn't fit well with my ideas.
Haraldsson's research has been very challenging in the past, for example, the case of an apparition of a dead crew member on board an Icelandic fishing trawler at sea*, forced me to abandon earlier ideas, and I had to start over again. Another was the case of two sons who were 'followed' by the apparition of an old lady. When the father - a Psychiatrist at a mental hospital - returned home, the sons described the apparition of the old lady, who the father recognised as the description of a long term patient who had died that very day, and who's death had been on his mind all day.*
*The Departed Among the Living: An Investigative Study of Afterlife Encounters.
Do those cases hold up under scrutiny? After the Baba stuff and now this I'm a bit hesitant to accept Haraldsson's research "as is."
(2023-07-06, 05:47 PM)RViewer88 Wrote: [ -> ]I think the most evidential physical medium of all time is D.D. Home because of how often his seances were in light including daylight.
RV, you sound very familiar with this area. How would you compare Leslie Flint to Home?
(2023-07-06, 07:50 PM)Ninshub Wrote: [ -> ]RV, you sound very familiar with this area. How would you compare Leslie Flint to Home?
sadly I know almost nothing about him. I do know he was a relatively recent medium having survived almost into the 21st century. I know a lot less about recent mediums than older ones.
(2023-07-06, 07:31 PM)RViewer88 Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed. I definitely would've named it as one of the "best ever" spontaneous psi cases if someone had asked me and I'd remembered it at the time. That's pretty much why it getting killed off is unfortunate.
Do those cases hold up under scrutiny? After the Baba stuff and now this I'm a bit hesitant to accept Haraldsson's research "as is."
Departed Among the Living is getting stories from people after a survey. I think it's fine.
The Sai Baba stuff...I feel like there is a great deal of bias for and against anyone able to produce "miracles" using Psi...
(2023-07-06, 10:22 PM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: [ -> ]Departed Among the Living is getting stories from people after a survey. I think it's fine.
The Sai Baba stuff...I feel like there is a great deal of bias for and against anyone able to produce "miracles" using Psi...
Yeah I had trouble assessing the Sai Baba debate because of the extreme polarization involved and the unfamiliar context. But what troubled me was finding this piece published in 1999, among others, that has some pretty troubling criticisms, because Haraldsson doesn't address them in any serious way in the latest edition of his Baba book:
https://robertpriddy.wordpress.com/2017/...phenomena/.
(2023-07-06, 11:09 PM)RViewer88 Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah I had trouble assessing the Sai Baba debate because of the extreme polarization involved and the unfamiliar context. But what troubled me was finding this piece published in 1999, among others, that has some pretty troubling criticisms, because Haraldsson doesn't address them in any serious way in the latest edition of his Baba book: https://robertpriddy.wordpress.com/2017/...phenomena/.
Oh I do strongly lean toward Sai Baba [being] a fraud but both skeptics and the religious have a reason to deny any & all feats, especially if he was of dubious character but still capable of "miracles".
Even the merest conjuration and mildest healing cast doubt on miracles.
Looking back over this, something that's really suspicious is what looks like a lack of contemporaneous reports. The earliest source Haraldsson cites on the Jensen/Copenhagen fire event is from 1910, 5 years after it allegedly happened. Another is even later: 1922. You'd think if they'd witnessed such an amazing mediumistic communication and it was confirmed to be fully accurate the very next day, the Indridi group would've immediately spread the news far and wide in Iceland and published the documentary proof. The fact, if it's a fact, that they didn't do that makes it seem like they had something to hide and restricted the whole thing to the witnesses at the seance they were hoaxing. Probably if it'd been made public an Indridi skeptic affiliated with a different newspaper would've pointed out the Marconi transmission that we know thanks to Max was published in at least one newspaper on the 25th reporting the fire. The other possibility is that there really are contemporaneous reports of Indridi's supposed mediumistic contact with Jensen on the 24th but Haraldsson just didn't find them in his archival searching.
If you have sources and information for your claims about Indridi as a medium and the Emil Jensen case then I strongly advise you to contact the editors of the Psi Encyclopedia and present this information to them in order for them to include your sources in an updated version about their articles. Professor Haraldsson was the author of both articles about the Emil Jensen case and Indridi Indridasson for the Psi Encyclopedia and he has since passed away.
To this day, the article about Indridi states that "Claims of fraud... were few and were unsubstantiated." but if the information that you're providing is true, then you should conctact the SPR in order for them to correct the articles in the Psi Encyclopedia.
I claim no knowledge about Sai Baba or Indridi Indridasson other than the few articles I've read, but I find it very alarming that people in this thread are just going to go around and throw out third-hand accusations to dismiss the entire bulk of work of the late Erlendur Haraldsson as a parapsychologist without realizing that those criticisms don't necessarily taint his investigations of other phenomena, like, for example, cases of the reincarnation type.