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What do you think of this critique of Fenwick's views?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQp19qtW22c

Just started, but so far I'm agreeing!

(2019-04-23, 11:10 AM)Enrique Vargas Wrote: [ -> ]What do you think of this critique of Fenwick's views?

I agree with it 100%.

I didn't know about Cyrus Kirkpatrick before. He says he had a heated exchange with Anthony Peake (which he mentions in this interview and criticizes on somewhat similar grounds), which led to cancelling a video debate.

He's his written critique of Peake in any event:
http://afterlifetopics.com/debunking-ant...chapter-1/
http://afterlifetopics.com/debunking-ant...ers-2-3-4/

(2019-04-23, 11:10 AM)Enrique Vargas Wrote: [ -> ]What do you think of this critique of Fenwick's views?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQp19qtW22c

I had some comments to make about that Fenwick interview in a thread I started a few days ago.

https://psiencequest.net/forums/thread-n...9#pid27529

I had similar misgivings about what Fenwick describes as "merging" as does the reviewer in your OP. However, I think he is a little hard on the man. Having attended Fenwick's talks and spoken to him personally a few times, I believe him to be fairly open minded and not so solidly entrenched in materialist/religious conditioning. I do think that there is a tendency among "post-materialist" academics and scientists to try to project some semblance of scientific respectability which might sometimes approach pandering to traditional materialism which, lets face it, still holds sway among the majority of modern academics and scientists. But I also think that there is a genuine desire to move the conversation forward and it is inevitable that there will be some drag in the process. Orthodoxy and paradigms are slow to change (one funeral at a time, as they say).

(2019-04-23, 04:15 PM)Ninshub Wrote: [ -> ]I didn't know about Cyrus Kirkpatrick before. He says he had a heated exchange with Anthony Peake (which he mentions in this interview and criticizes on somewhat similar grounds), which led to cancelling a video debate.

He's his written critique of Peake in any event:
http://afterlifetopics.com/debunking-ant...chapter-1/
http://afterlifetopics.com/debunking-ant...ers-2-3-4/

I had heard the name, Cyrus Kirpatrick, before (I seem to think perhaps from a forum - or maybe Michael Prescott's discussion pages?). Anyhow, I've looked and listened to Anthony Peake on a few occasions and have been thoroughly unimpressed. Always struck me a a self-promoting opportunist who has cobbled together bits and pieces of the works of others into what he presents as his own revolutionary worldview.

I haven't had a chance to follow those critique links yet, Ian, but I'll try to make time.

Most people in the comments of the video are telling him to respect Peake and Fenwick more or lighten up, but the point is still valid. Cyrus comes off as very knowledgeable to me from my times seeing him around Prescott's forum/page, and he is right on the money to me. 

It's just the fact there are select parts of the phenomenon that can and are integrated into a religious or "post materialist" view that keeps the interpretation alive. I don't think either are the best, but they won't be going anywhere anytime in the short term. To echo one of the posts above me, paradigm shifts are slow

Just a little reminder for those in this thread who've forgotten: Cyrus was the subject of our second interview here on Psience Quest!

(Don't have the bandwidth for YouTube right now so can't comment on the OP - will try to remember to look it back up later, Enrique).