(2017-08-30, 12:46 PM)chuck Wrote: [ -> ]Which lucid dream device did you buy? What do you think?
Any candid thoughts on the Monroe Institute?
Started by designing one from a Arduino and a pair of reading glasses. Worked but lots of cables.
Then I Bought a Rem-Dreamer
Very good. Lots of features I like. Problem I had was similar to with my home-brew,, had a hard time getting settings tweaked to be dim enough not to shock me awake, but bright enough to be noticeable. I also found myself very aware of what I was trying to do, and this affected my ability to get to sleep at all. In the end I just decided to stick with my more nature way to doing LD.
I was glad I bought it and glad it's still in my drawer in case I want to play with it. I think it was $225 or so. Came from UK I think.
Re: Monroe Institute. I LOVED it. First of all it gave me the chance to hang with like minded folks for a week and that was worth a lot.
The "Gateway" process progressed a little slower than I liked, to the point where they spent a lot of time reminding us that the objective was to learn about ourselves and not specifically the OBE. That sort of annoyed me cause that was the whole purpose I went. But the Gateway Experience is a prerequisite for most of the other classes so I just shut up and did it. We did get into OBE stuff though so no biggie.
I developed some good techniques and had a couple experiences but never got full blown OBE unfortunately.
I bought a set of the CDs but never practiced much at home cause was doing many other practices at the same time.. Yes, a bit ADD of me I know. Pretty sure when I get a chance to spend some more time practicing I'll have the experience I want.
I did have a crazy experience at home before i went to Monroe with it where I saw a test pattern like shape and was hearing loud buzzing that I thought was my CD player. Turns out I was having the standard pre-OBE experience. Wish I didn't just take off the head phones and start trying to figure out what was wrong with them... : (
Bottom line- I recommend highly.
(2017-08-30, 01:28 PM)jkmac Wrote: [ -> ]Started by designing one from a Arduino and a pair of reading glasses. Worked but lots of cables.
Then I Bought a Rem-Dreamer
Very good. Lots of features I like. Problem I had was similar to with my home-brew,, had a hard time getting settings tweaked to be dim enough not to shock me awake, but bright enough to be noticeable. I also found myself very aware of what I was trying to do, and this affected my ability to get to sleep at all. In the end I just decided to stick with my more nature way to doing LD.
I was glad I bought it and glad it's still in my drawer in case I want to play with it. I think it was $225 or so. Came from UK I think.
Re: Monroe Institute. I LOVED it. First of all it gave me the chance to hang with like minded folks for a week and that was worth a lot.
The "Gateway" process progressed a little slower than I liked, to the point where they spent a lot of time reminding us that the objective was to learn about ourselves and not specifically the OBE. That sort of annoyed me cause that was the whole purpose I went. But the Gateway Experience is a prerequisite for most of the other classes so I just shut up and did it. We did get into OBE stuff though so no biggie.
I developed some good techniques and had a couple experiences but never got full blown OBE unfortunately.
I bought a set of the CDs but never practiced much at home cause was doing many other practices at the same time.. Yes, a bit ADD of me I know. Pretty sure when I get a chance to spend some more time practicing I'll have the experience I want.
I did have a crazy experience at home before i went to Monroe with it where I saw a test pattern like shape and was hearing loud buzzing that I thought was my CD player. Turns out I was having the standard pre-OBE experience. Wish I didn't just take off the head phones and start trying to figure out what was wrong with them... : (
Bottom line- I recommend highly.
Good stuff. Was tempted to talk more about OBE here, but maybe I will see if there is a technique thread and start one if not.
I started this thread for anyone that is interested in talking specifically about OBE techniques.
http://psiencequest.net/forums/thread-231.html
(2017-08-27, 02:47 PM)jkmac Wrote: [ -> ]Question: why would one disbelieve in mediumship, but find it plausible to believe that one can read another's mind? What is the mechanism for that mind reading ability?
Empathy. You cannot be (know, understand, interpret) what you are not the vibration of...first.
Next question.
(2017-08-29, 11:55 PM)jkmac Wrote: [ -> ]snip- Unfortunately it seems to me that no test of communication with the deceased could be created that would eliminate the claim that the actual sitter's mind is being "read"
OK. Lets look at the list.
The skeptic responds as follows-
1- Direct voice. The skeptic simply says the medium used a concocted accent to confirm information that the sitter knows. Telepathy
2- Full form. Whatever trick the medium used to create the fake form is explained away, and information is explained by telepathy.
3- Trance. Whatever information the concocted voice passes on is gained by telepathy from whatever person knows it.
4- Mental mediumship and info the nobody knows. Sorry already discussed this one. And it is the most fun. In the rare case of information that is known by no living person (I can point to lots of examples of this), the skeptic simply points to super psi with lots of breathless references to quantum entanglement, and people's electromagnetic images, in the form of light, existing forever, flying away from earth at the speed of light.
Actually the skeptic can point to super psi in all of these cases. In fact the skeptic can point to the completely fictitious super psi in response to any possible veridical mediumship case you could conjure up.
Not one, not a one of the so-called pre-biased sceptics, have ever emerged from any of the 100s of PM demonstrations that I have attended, lead by any of the traveling modern mediums, not one has ever emerged remaining a sceptic.
You know, it is hilarious to watch threads where NO ONE has ever attended a PM seance. Yet so many experts.
ROFL
(2017-08-30, 06:55 PM)Pssst Wrote: [ -> ]Empathy. You cannot be (know, understand, interpret) what you are not the vibration of...first.
Next question.
Hate that answer. Hope the next is better.
So if someone says something that is just plain stupid, that means it isn't stupid, you just dont understand because you are not of that vibration?
Wow. I think that this approach may make sense in certain instances, but as a general rule of thumb? I think it is silly. To which a "believer" would reply,, yes, but the reason you feel that way is because of your incorrect vibration.
Doesn't seem like this system leads to very useful conversation. Do you find that?
(2017-08-30, 07:02 PM)Pssst Wrote: [ -> ]Not one, not a one of the so-called pre-biased sceptics, have ever emerged from any of the 100s of PM demonstrations that I have attended, lead by any of the traveling modern mediums, not one has ever emerged remaining a sceptic.
You know, it is hilarious to watch threads where NO ONE has ever attended a PM seance. Yet so many experts.
ROFL
Your spot on there.
But really, it's because they are hard to find.
Sort of like US based
Ayahuasca ceremonies. They exist, but are very hard to track down on the web (for understandable reasons).
I would like to be exposed to a demonstration of physical mediumship. Can you point me in the right direction?
(2017-08-30, 07:59 PM)jkmac Wrote: [ -> ]Your spot on there. But really, it's because they are hard to find.
Sort of like US based Ayahuasca ceremonies. They exist, but are very hard to track down on the web (for understandable reasons). I would like to be exposed to a demonstration of physical mediumship. Can you point me in the right direction?
Here are the modern, traveling PMs
Kai Muegge
Warren Caylor
Mychael Shane
David Thompson
There are others - Warfield Moose for example - but these are the most prevalent. They prefer not to post their future appearances on their respective websites for two reasons. HTML-challenged and security.
If you are serious, drop me a PM as to your location and I will point you to who is nearest or most accessible.
(2017-08-30, 07:54 PM)jkmac Wrote: [ -> ]Pssst Wrote: [url=http://psiencequest.net/forums/post-2528.html#pid2528][/url]Empathy. You cannot be (know, understand, interpret) what you are not the vibration of...first.
Next question.
Hate that answer. Hope the next is better.
So if someone says something that is just plain stupid, that means it isn't stupid, you just dont understand because you are not of that vibration?
Wow. I think that this approach may make sense in certain instances, but as a general rule of thumb? I think it is silly. To which a "believer" would reply,, yes, but the reason you feel that way is because of your incorrect vibration.
Doesn't seem like this system leads to very useful conversation. Do you find that?
It means that the basis for telepathy is actually teleMpathy i.e. you have to be on the same wavelength as the person you are attempting or accidentally connecting with. Literally. There is no 'reading of minds' in telempathy.
Everything gets down to vibration, frequency, EVERYthing and telempathy is no different.
What you believe sets your vibration. Seeing is not believing, just the opposite.
I have found that living is a very, very simple proposition and understanding the vibrational components of it clears the air. We have been given, again VERY literally, the instruction manual for living and it is a paragraph or two at best in length. It is all about state of being (vibration) and what you choose to observe about what comes about in physical reality. Nothing about circumstances.
(2017-08-30, 08:20 PM)Pssst Wrote: [ -> ]It means that the basis for telepathy is actually teleMpathy i.e. you have to be on the same wavelength as the person you are attempting or accidentally connecting with. Literally. There is no 'reading of minds' in telempathy.
Everything gets down to vibration, frequency, EVERYthing and telempathy is no different.
What you believe sets your vibration. Seeing is not believing, just the opposite.
I have found that living is a very, very simple proposition and understanding the vibrational components of it clears the air. We have been given, again VERY literally, the instruction manual for living and it is a paragraph or two at best in length. It is all about state of being (vibration) and what you choose to observe about what comes about in physical reality. Nothing about circumstances.
Interesting.
All the talk about "vibration" has always seemed like some bad or at least imperfect metaphor to me. As if the person who developed the analogy didn't really even understand what vibration frequencies are. Probably unfortunately, I'm an electrical engineer, so I know what they are. Are you saying I should be thinking of it as a literal thing?
Where could you point me for the clearest cleanest most useful explanation of the concept?