Trance Mediumship vs Non-Trance Mediums

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This is funny because just by chance I've been looking on youtube at several mental mediumship readings/demonstration videos today. Here's one from from Gordon Higginson, who was a well-known and respected British clairvoyant medium, who did use trance.



Quote:Here is the full video of Gordon Higginson demonstrating trance mediumship in the Library of the Arthur Findlay College, Stansted Hall on 18th April 1992. During the demonstration, Gordon is controlled by two of his guides; Choo Chow who gives a philosophical talk and Paddy who demonstrates trance clairvoyance. This trance demonstration was after Gordon had a large stroke and used a stick to walk. What is interesting is that the power of the first spirit control is able to move him around the room easily, yet he has to be helped out of the room at the end of the demonstration. The video and sound quality are not that great but represent what was available from camcorders at that time.

 At 10 minutes or so he enters a trance state. Choo Chow appears at about 14 min, and Paddy at about 38 min (the clairvoyant spirit). Seems like they're having a ball once he appears!
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(2023-06-23, 11:18 PM)nbtruthman Wrote: One possible though unwelcome hypothesis is that a very different type of consciousness from the normal waking one is in fact needed, along with the participation of some sort of interfacing and facilitating entity known as a "control", for genuine mediumship, to actually communicate with discarnates. Achievement of such trance states and finding or creating the "control" personality are very hard to do and require years of effort and practice, something very difficult in the modern world with all its distractions. Thus this hypothesis says that in fact most mediumship and channeling today is actually bogus, and that there was much more genuine mediumship in the heydays of spiritualism.

Just a personal thing but I will say that in terms of channeling it's easier for me to "believe" where there is a trance than when there isn't.

The ascended master Saint Germain is a very popular channeled entity.

Geoffrey Hoppe is just one of the many contemporary mediums who channels him. Compare him, where there's very little difference in the voice and the demeanor when the alleged channeling is occurring....




...to Azena Ramanda in 1987:

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It is important that the medium bring through verifiable evidence that they would have no normal way of knowing. I don't know of any other grounds for believing other information that can't be verified - whether they are in a trance or not, or whether they are psychologists using hypnosis doing past life or inter-life regression.

UPDATE: Cross correspondences might be an exception - if you get parts of a message through multiple independent mediums who don't know others are also involved and the message doesn't make sense unless the parts are combined - that is evidence there is an intelligence behind it even if you can't verify the message independently.
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The best medium I am aware of was Leslie Flint.

https://www.leslieflint.com

https://www.leslieflint.com/recordings-archive
The first gulp from the glass of science will make you an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you - Werner Heisenberg. (More at my Blog & Website)
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