People that sit on the both side what do you think about the propnet and skeptic?

Lol...

I think laughing is the only possible thing to do when confronted by such absurd bias.

http://skepdic.com/shynesseffect.html

 (Randi's malicious and delicious sense of humor is nowhere better demonstrated than in his dealings with Taylor and Phillips. In Project Alpha, he trained the tricksters and then offered the scientist his assistance in detecting trickery by them. With Taylor, he met him disguised as a reporter and opened and closed his "sealed" tubes in front of him without the scientist even noticing. He even scratched "bent by Randi" on one of the tubes.)

and

"The final blow to Taylor's shyness effect occurred when an alternative team of scientists decided to replicate Taylor's findings. Six of his metal-bending prodigies were tested in a room with one observer, who noticed no cheating even though "psychokinetic" metal-bending occurred repeatedly. But a hidden camera recorded the truth about the shyness effect, as reported by the investigators in the September 4, 1975, issue of the scientific journal Nature: "A put the rod under her foot and tried to bend it; B, E, and F used two hands to bend the spoon . . . while D tried to hide his hands under a table to bend the spoon." Today, Taylor has retracted many of his 1975 claims."

the bowl of the spoon should suddenly have become rigid again immediately after Radin bent it himself.

It's called work hardening and is well understood.

It's called work hardening and is well understood.

exactly, this is what I was talking about. It is a well known magician trick.

i think pararesearches should also follow magician course, all their PhDs don't help much if they get fooled by simple stuff.

exactly, this is what I was talking about. It is a well known magician trick.

i think pararesearches should also follow magician course, all their PhDs don't help much if they get fooled by simple stuff.

I love this tutorial for one way of producing a spoon bending effect... You can watch the first part of the video showing the effect, and you just can't see anything, it's so well controlled... then you see how it's done, and the palming skills are really fantastic...

I love this tutorial for one way of producing a spoon bending effect... You can watch the first part of the video showing the effect, and you just can't see anything, it's so well controlled... then you see how it's done, and the palming skills are really fantastic...

Considering that Taylor was tricked by kids and their "shyness effect", I believe any magician can trick people that want to believe spoon bending is real.

Considering that Taylor was tricked by kids and their "shyness effect", I believe any magician can trick people that want to believe spoon bending is real.

Let me see if I got this. So all it takes to bend a spoon is deception, not some special mind powers?

Let me see if I got this. So all it takes to bend a spoon is deception, not some special mind powers?

As far as I am concerned, yes. Like all superpowers, if nobody in a hundred years managed to show they are real in controlled conditions then they are non existent.

I happen to agree with Chris that it was better to make a new thread rather than keep pulling this one off-topic. Since I want an answer from one individual, however:

I love this tutorial for one way of producing a spoon bending effect... You can watch the first part of the video showing the effect, and you just can't see anything, it's so well controlled... then you see how it's done, and the palming skills are really fantastic...

I'm rather skeptical of macro-PK in general, and Radin's spoon in particular. However, if one takes Radin's account at face value, I can't say that any of the videos you provided explain what he described. He bent it himself, ruling out this particular video; the explanation you're arguing for isn't the one Shermer offered; and none of these videos clearly explain how the spoon could have been unyielding for several minutes before Radin managed to bend it. That is the point I'd want addressed, at least concerning the objections to a psi explanation. (I'd also want it addressed why Radin, being allowed to keep the spoon, didn't hand it over to someone for analysis, but as he's not here to answer, I'm stuck on that one.)

I happen to agree with Chris that it was better to make a new thread rather than keep pulling this one off-topic. Since I want an answer from one individual, however:


I'm rather skeptical of macro-PK in general, and Radin's spoon in particular. However, if one takes Radin's account at face value, I can't say that any of the videos you provided explain what he described. He bent it himself, ruling out this particular video; the explanation you're arguing for isn't the one Shermer offered; and none of these videos clearly explain how the spoon could have been unyielding for several minutes before Radin managed to bend it. That is the point I'd want addressed, at least concerning the objections to a psi explanation. (I'd also want it addressed why Radin, being allowed to keep the spoon, didn't hand it over to someone for analysis, but as he's not here to answer, I'm stuck on that one.)

The bowl of a spoon is shaped. The shaped structure is resistant to bending, just like the fluting in corrugated cardboard makes a soft paper material resistant to bending. But just like corrugated cardboard, once it goes past a certain level of stress, the form of the fluting which gives it form strength is broken. The corrugated cardboard collapses on a crease or bend. The same happens to the bowl of an annealed spoon. It is a soft material which has strength through its bowl shape, but quickly collapses once the shape is compromised. It’s like a chicken egg too, strong form, made out of weak material. However, unlike craft paper which forms the cardboard fluting, the annealed metal of the spoon will work harden with the bending.

Typical example is a length of copper pipe. It has strength through form, but if you bend it. It will resist. Then suddenly give way, then it will work harden. And require much greater strength to bend back.

So you would get resistance to bending from form/shape, which would suddenly give way appearing suddenly easily bendable when the form was compromised, the metal would bend, then work harden. So strength through form, form collapses, metal bends then work hardens.

Time ————- >
High resistance (shape strength) —-> low resistance (annealed metal) —- high resistance (work hardening)

I'm on the same boat as Max, there so many ways into which the trick can be done that fraud remains in my opinion the first answer toi what has been observed.

After all, events such as this one need to have a solid basis to be declared real. This really are extraordinary claims.