2018-01-30, 07:16 PM
Kamarling Wrote:First you have to break the assumed equivalence between "natural" and "material" (or physical).Consider it broken. I'm still waiting to hear how science should change.
Quote:Then you have to find a way, using the methodology of science, to investigate theories of consciousness other than the strictly brain based model you have at the moment. Koch and others have started down that path already. But even he insisting that consciousness is a feature of the physical universe, like gravity. He's not prepared to go further and consider that it might be the other way around: that the universe is a manifestation of consciousness; that consciousness is absolutely fundamental.I'm sure scientists who think this may be the case are trying to figure out how to investigate it. Note that the Standard Model is pretty robust and yet has no inkling of additional particles or forces that might account for consciousness. And if consciousness is somehow fundamental but not reflected in our fundamental models, then it's getting a bit supernatural again.
Quote:At a guess, the way to investigate mind using science is to do what parapsychologists are doing already: investigating how mind can work beyond the body. But science, in my view, cracked open the doors of science and let consciousness in with quantum physics. Schrödinger and Heisenberg saw this but later materialists have attempted to exclude or downplay the role of consciousness.So far there is no role for consciousness. No need to toss it in if observations can be explained without it. Perhaps future observations will require it.
If quantum mysticism proves helpful, I'm sure scientists will jump on it.
~~ Paul