(2023-05-11, 02:15 AM)Ninshub Wrote: [ -> ]Do you have your own take on what those sorts of entities are, Mediochre?
I have to admit I'm kind of partial to RJ Spina's experience/understanding of them as parasitic astral thoughtforms, instead of self-powered "demons".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqHBffadl2E
Firstly I personally don't trust anything Spina says, I initially posted a thread about him but he subsequently went on what were basically incoherent contradictory hippy ramblings about things he himself seems absolutely certain of yet were sometimes logically contradictory or easily disprovable with evidence. He was like a typical dogmatic new ager and I honestly think he's probably at least partially delusional. Some of the logical and evidential contradictions he makes are catalogued in some of the comment sections unless Mishlove decided to delete them feeling they were perhaps "too mean". Spina, if you were unaware, is the entire reason why that channel has the policy it does now of not posting negative comments, because sooooooooooo many people had a lot of issues with what he said for good reason.
I tend to lean more towards Loyd Aurebach's metaphor of likening such entities to great white sharks, you wouldn't call them evil, but you also probably don't want to run into them either. That seems to fit a good chunk of what I ran into, I did my own categorization based on behavbiour, some seemed to behave like scavengers and opportunists who would leave you alone if they felt you were a danger but would swarm around you if they sensed or believed you were weak. Others were much like what Lindsey ran into, focused on slowly draining energy from one or more targets to feed and/or empower itself. I do think the comparison to a spider is very accurate. Others were like the Spindler I encountered in the mothers day incident, predators that seemed interested in actually killing and presumably eating prey whether using ambush or brute force tactics or a mix of both.
I will admit that I do agree that there seemed to be a class of thing I encountered that seemed to be just a thoughtform type of thing. Seeming to take the shape of generically scary things like giant spiders and whatnot, those things behaved as though they were robots though, demonstrating no survival instinct and also being incredibly weak, almost like their appearance was more like a hollow 3d model that had nothing inside it, or a balloon. these were things that you could very easily deal with with just raw intention whether it be prayers or whatever, they couldn't take any fluctuations of energy like that. Ironically those were the only things I was willing to call demons personally, because they were the only things that acted without intelligence, with a single minded relentless focus much like how demons were described, everything else demonstrated intelligence of some form, some to higher degrees than others.
Some things, like one class of entity that I nicknamed "stalkers" felt as though they were actually human. Stalkers were of the opportunistic category, they had a tendency in projections and similar to appear as someone you knew and liked, they'd try to get close to you for a hug or similar, at which point they'd shriek or roar in your face and transform into something almost zombie like. As I recall, In the podcast Lindsey describes entities in various peoples dreams who have cracked faces that look almost like burnt marshmallows after they, well, molted. I found that description relatable to what I remember for some of the stalkers. The shriek seemed to be almost protective since it seemed they weren't able to move very much during their transformation, so it seemed like they were almost trying to flashbang you to shock you so that you wouldn't resist in time. They also seemed capable of some matter interaction and thus could be poltergeists of a sort.
Some things would respond to what I'll call the jamming effect that seemed to occur from the intentions behind prayers or intentional smudging/sage burning etc. Not typically outright destroying them as in the case of the potential thoughtforms, but disrupting their ability to hold onto you or keep you in a dream/OBE and similar. I think its the reason why many people believe that, when prayer works in these situations, that it proves their religion right, when in actually the intention behind the prayer seems to be what's required. Loyd has talked about this in a few interviews as I recall, that he'd get calls from people wondering why their smudging doesn't work, and he'd ask what were they thinking while smudging, and its always the people who are just going through the motions with no intention that have the issues. Likewise with prayer where you're just saying the words to say them with no real feeling behind it. There's lots and lots of evidence that its the intention and little else that matters across parapsychology.
Then there's entities that won't suffer any disruption from anything like that, they will basically just laugh at you for thinking it would work. For them you need to get a whole lot more aggressive and physical. You, or someone, needs to actually fight them, they aren't going away any other way. You might think that this is the time where you call for help from angels or other entities, but at least with some of the people who used to attack me, they have protocols for that too. Namely what used to happen with me is they'd pull me into a projection/OBE, they'd lock it down so I could not leave and they'd also lock down the area we were in with what could be considered a sort of isolation field. This made it difficult for anything to sense you let alone hear you, let alone find where you even were if they could. Thus forcing you into a fight with no backup, the field weakening and dropping if you kill or otherwise severely injure and incapacitate whatever's maintaining the field. Its why I have my policy of never bothering calling for help though I admit that people really should if for some insane reason they're in that situation, because there are pretty competent people out there who are more than willing to help.
I won't claim to know everything about this or that I'm right in my interpretations as that would get very strongly into blind man and the elephant territory. But it really seemed that reducing it to good and evil would be a massive oversimplification. Some things acted animalistically, other things acted as if part of an organization with an agenda, some were more "human" than others in appearance and mannerisms, the more normal ones honestly were often the worst and most powerful. Its a whole quagmire of things that I know I don't have a full picture of.