(2017-09-18, 05:06 PM)Bucky Wrote: [ -> ]If Radin's experiments with the interferometer are to be believed, psi can affect fundamental particles. It doesn't seem a huge stretch of the imagination to cause a bit flip inside a DRAM chip and induce an actual "soft error" in a large-scale system.
If we want to consider even more "macro" PSI effects, distant healing would have to affect atoms, molecules and entire tissues to produce the claimed results. Not to mention poltergeists.
I don't know if there's a precise line that we can draw in terms of effect size, but maybe the folks at GCP have arbitrarily drawn one.
cheers
And then there's the history of all those effects with telephone answering machines, telephone messages, and radios and TV EVP (electronic Voice Phenomenon). If that stuff is valid, certainly "flipping bits" is no biggie.
(2017-09-19, 12:21 PM)E. Flowers Wrote: [ -> ]I won't debate the statistics and the effect may very well be real, meditation has shown us quite a few marvelous characteristics before... However, all of the talk about fields in the quoted text reads like New Age mumbo-jumbo to me...The last part of the sentence is the most plausible, although it actually reads like they are describing the Force from Star Wars.
Yeah... it sounds like Deepak Chopra
(2017-09-19, 11:09 AM)jkmac Wrote: [ -> ]Do people think this might be part of the same effect? Sounds like the same thing to me.
The Global Maharishi Effect
That's the kind of meditation effort I'd like to see applied to something "stupid" such as an RNG or interferometer... so that it would be clear as day that the effect is there, it's macro and there's no ambiguity or ways of "interpreting" the statistics etc...
By the by, if those results from the article are real I guess the same could be done with negative intentions, in other words... weaponized meditation
(2017-09-19, 12:21 PM)E. Flowers Wrote: [ -> ]I won't debate the statistics and the effect may very well be real, meditation has shown us quite a few marvelous characteristics before... However, all of the talk about fields in the quoted text reads like New Age mumbo-jumbo to me...The last part of the sentence is the most plausible, although it actually reads like they are describing the Force from Star Wars.
I don't get your comment about new age mumbo-jumbo.
I've got a news flash for you:
everything we talk about here is new age mumbo-jumbo!
(2017-09-19, 04:05 PM)jkmac Wrote: [ -> ]I don't get your comment about new age mumbo-jumbo.
I've got a news flash for you: everything we talk about here is new age mumbo-jumbo!
It sounds fancy, but in reality says nothing. It just borrows concepts from other things (science, especially quantum physics, religion, philosophy...) and puts them together in a shish kabob of baseless affirmation.
(2017-09-19, 04:05 PM)jkmac Wrote: [ -> ]I don't get your comment about new age mumbo-jumbo.
I've got a news flash for you: everything we talk about here is new age mumbo-jumbo!
Nah, that' s too extreme.
Distinctions need to be made, if you can't see the difference between a Sheldrake's book (or research) and one by Chopra I think you need your eyes checked (multiple times!)
No offense
(2017-09-19, 04:38 PM)Bucky Wrote: [ -> ]Nah, that' s too extreme.
Distinctions need to be made, if you can't see the difference between a Sheldrake's book (or research) and one by Chopra I think you need your eyes checked (multiple times!)
No offense
I still say- minor details aside, everything we talk about here is what most "normal" people would call weird. At least most people I know.
(2017-09-19, 06:04 PM)Brian Wrote: [ -> ]Agree with your second point but my experience of the new age is a bunch of unquestioning folk, mainly hippies and old housewives, who, entranced by every whim and fancy of the paranormal very much merit the stereotypes people make of them. I for one would rather not be seen in that light these days. (I admit shamefully I was once one of them!) 
OK. I see the distinction. I'll buy that.
Does anyone ever comment on your Avatar? Scares the crap out of me... OK maybe I'm being a sissy,,,, but still...