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Quote:What connection do we really have with the souls of those who have lived here before? Psychologist Edith Fiore describes how, working with her clients, she has come to diagnose and treat cases of apparent spirit possession. She demonstrates an actual depossession technique, a method entirely different from the classical notion of "exorcism." Dr. Fiore's is a loving process whereby the possessing spirit is encouraged to enter the "light" to further its own spiritual evolution. She describes hypnotic regression to the time when the entity first joined with the patient or to the death of the possessing entity. She also looks at cases in which the patient has a karmic connection with the possessing entity, and offers an imagery technique for treating patients who feel they are victims of a "curse."

Edith Fiore is author of You Have Been Here Before: A Psychologist Looks at Past Lives and The Unquiet Dead: A Psychologist Looks at Spirit Depossession.



Quote:Jeffrey Mishlove engages in a conversation with himself about conditions in the early stages of the afterlife. He makes the point that the available research strongly suggests the influence of cultural conditioning. Our expectations play an enormous role on what is experienced. He describes the work of rescue circles and the controversy as to whether these are necessary. He also discusses differences in afterlife reports between western and Asian reincarnation cases.


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Quote:Jeffrey Mishlove engages in a conversation with himself about some of the thorniest problems of human identity associated with the afterlife. Can we maintain our identity in the absence of a physical body? Are there other bodies once we let go of the physical? How do these bodies, if they exist maintain themselves? What is the relationship between the small ego and the ground of being of the universe? What of the "oversoul"?



Quote:In this 2016 video, he points out that poltergeists are thought to represent the recurrent, spontaneous psychokinetic activity of particular individuals. This is an unconscious process not under the control of the individual. However, generally, the troubling phenomena tend to go away once psychological problems are resolved. Hauntings, on the other hand, represent similar phenomena – associated with a particular location rather than a particular person. Hundreds of such cases have been observed by researchers. The discussion covers many details and nuances found in the available research literature.



Quote:Anabela Cardoso is a former Portuguese diplomat. She is author of Electronic Voices: Contact with Another Dimension, Electronic Contact with the Dead: What the Voices Tell Us, and Glimpses of Another World: Impressions and Reflections of an EVP Operator. Here she describes pioneering work in establishing ITC by Maggie Harsch-Fischbach, Konstantine Raudive, and others.

She explains how her own interest in the field began, and talks about the hundreds of voices she has recorded, and interacted with, over the last two decades. She describes a research project that was published in the Journal of Neuro-Quantology.



Quote:Jeffrey Mishlove has a delightful conversation with himself regarding one of the most talented spirit mediums of the twentieth century. Gladys Osborne Leonard's career as a medium spanned a half-century. Throughout that time she was studied extensively by researchers. She consistently demonstrated both integrity and talent, offering enormous evidence for postmortem survival.
(2021-08-02, 06:11 AM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: [ -> ]




Quote:Anabela Cardoso is a former Portuguese diplomat, having served as Consul General in Spain, France, and the United States – as well as Chargé de Affaires in Japan and India. She is author of Electronic Voices: Contact with Another Dimension, Electronic Contact with the Dead: What the Voices Tell Us, and Glimpses of Another World: Impressions and Reflections of an EVP Operator.

Here she discusses what she has learned over the past two-decades from her two-way conversations with anomalous voices. She describes how the voices are produced, the collective organization of those on the other side, what they say about their bodies, and also the meaning of suffering. She compares the information she has received directly with that reported by others in the literature of Instrumental Trans Communication and spiritualism.
Looking at Mishlove's essay which won the Bigelow prize.

He goes through varied types of Survival Evidence, some of it overlapping with what we covered in this thread. He also takes an interesting position that supports Idealism but unlike Kastrup rejects Super-Psi type explanations.
(2021-11-28, 04:17 AM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: [ -> ]Looking at Mishlove's essay which won the Bigelow prize.

He goes through varied types of Survival Evidence, some of it overlapping with what we covered in this thread. He also takes an interesting position that supports Idealism but unlike Kastrup rejects Super-Psi type explanations.

Braude's Bigelow essay lays out his case for Super Psi and where he thinks it falls short. Most of the essay is stuff I think this thread covered, though he makes an odd mention of an unpublished paper by Sudduth that will supposedly challenge some of Tucker's conclusions in a particular case.

Additionally he doesn't address the evolutionary question of Super Psi, and how this conspiratorial set of powers would suggest Intelligent Design by non-material entities and/or some kind of Idealism. If either is true then it would just further provide a place for conscious entities to reside without their "physical" bodies. Additionally he doesn't address something Mishlove brought up in his essay and I mentioned earlier in this thread, that "sub-personalities" that Super Psi invokes actually at times seem to behave like spirits themselves - to the point of being exorcise-able.

What he does bring up is the issue that if Super Psi exists why is human civilization not a smoking ruin:

Quote:Skeptics sometimes wonder why, if thoughts can kill or maim, so many of us are still alive and intact... 

... Once we allow psi interactions to be part of the overall causal picture, we need to entertain an immense range of potentially countervailing factors—in particular, the full spectrum of under-the-surface psychic activity. After all, both experimental and anecdotal evidence—not to mention common
sense—suggest that psychic processes can be triggered unconsciously, presumably to serve various deep and genuinely motivating needs and interests. For example, that might be one way people ordinarily and subconsciously orchestrate their lives to either frustrate or promote their avowed interests. But in that case, every person could be making multiple attempts throughout the day to influence the world psychically or scan for desired information. Unless we think in these terms, we won’t be taking seriously the possibility of psi and its role in nature. But once we do allow for this vast reservoir of potentially interfering factors, we might reasonably expect few (if any) of our psychic
“efforts” to succeed, no matter how unlimited or powerful psi might be in principle. It may not be miraculous when one of those efforts successfully navigates the dense web of hindrances confronting it. But it might be more remarkable for it to succeed than for it to fail...

Quote:My argument about Crippling Complexity can be presented stepwise, as follows.

(1) Most (if not all) of our abilities or capacities are situation-sensitive–including
ordinarily subconscious and involuntary capacities and even virtuosic abilities.

(2) Therefore, it’s reasonable to think that the manifestation of psychic capacities would
also be situation-sensitive.

(3) The parapsychological evidence supports that conjecture.

(4) Therefore, it’s reasonable to think that no matter how extensive, refined, or virtuosic
psychic capacities might be, like other capacities they will also be subject to actual
case-by-case limitations.

(5) The hypothesis that humans have psychic capacities presupposes a vast underlying
network of both normal causality and (typically covert) psi-processes initiated both
consciously and unconsciously. 

(6) The denser and more extensive that network is, the more obstacles any particular
psychic inquiry or effort must navigate in order to succeed (e.g., the more likely it is that
an effort will be caught in the crossfire of underlying, and possibly unrelated, causal
activity.) 

(7) Therefore, the greater the range, pervasiveness, and refinement of psychic
functioning (i.e., the more “super” we take it to be), the more vulnerable one’s psychic
efforts will be to paranormal interference from within the surrounding causal nexus, and
the less likely it becomes that any given psychic effort will succeed, much less that a
series of such efforts will succeed.

(8) Therefore, the more potentially wide-ranging and virtuosic we take psi to be, the less
likely it becomes that a person’s psi could produce an extended and accurate trance
persona, or provide all the detailed, intimate information found in the most astonishing
survival cases—and even more so, to do these things consistently.

I think this idea that we are always trying to manipulate reality but all our powers cancel out doesn't really hold up either. It's hard to see how all desires have near perfect cancellation, or use up some kind of psychic energy pool in just such a way that we don't see macro-level object indeterminacy as a usual/natural occurrence.

One would also expect that as human population increased we'd either see an increase or decrease in the kind of shifts of fortune we'd expect if all of us were exercising Super-Psi all the time.
(2021-11-28, 03:51 PM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: [ -> ]Braude's Bigelow essay lays out his case for Super Psi and where he thinks it falls short...

Continuing this theme:

The Case for the Afterlife

Chris Carter

Quote:I argue in this paper that the theory of Super-ESP has no rational foundation, and
that it is nothing more than an excuse to not accept the most straightforward
inference from the data. I further argue here that the reason the theory of Super-ESP
has stubbornly persisted as a seemingly-legitimate counter-explanation to survival is
due to on-going confusion over several fundamental yet intractable issues, and to
the fact that proponents of Super-ESP never explicitly deal with these issues, but
simply ignore them.
Another Bigelow Essay, this one by Michael Nahm.

Goes into some really interesting cases, with additional sections refuting both pseudo-skeptic "explanations" and Super Psi attempts.

Some good passages:

Quote: The Japanese were hated in Burma, where occupying troops had committed many atrocities. The last thing any Burmese parents would want to suggest was that they were harboring the reincarnation of an Imperial soldier...

‘One rather pathetic child was caught by the villagers and burned alive,’ Stevenson said.
‘And not only are these children born into Burmese families who want nothing to do with
a Japanese child, they frequently long to ‘go back to Tokyo,’ think the Burmese food is too
spicy, the climate too hot. They complain all the time: ‘I want raw fish and sweets and want
to dress like a Japanese.’ ‘ “[48,p.120]

Quote:The case of deaf-mute Süleyman Zeytun is also worth mentioning here. He displayed a
phobia of water from early on. It is difficult to imagine how the parents coached little
Süleyman or otherwise induced his quite specific past-life memories. He couldn’t even
hear their words.

Quote:“How else one can explain [her] emotions in the presence of Minu, who is eight years her senior, or wifely feelings for a man of 42 years in a girl under six [...] A girl of five cannot
be tutored to simulate these feelings and that too not for an hour or two but for days and
months.”[59,p.21]
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