Psience Quest

I came across this transcript of Hal Puthoff's presentation a year ago to SSE IRVA and found it extremely interesting!

https://paradigmresearchgroup.org/2018/0...june-2018/

Also, here is Puthoff's published paper: ADVANCED SPACE PROPULSION BASED ON VACUUM (SPACETIME METRIC) ENGINEERING
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1204/1204.2184.pdf

Quote:Okay, what did I address as a subcontractor? One of the critical issues there’s so much high-level security and compartmentalization in this subject area, and there’s a lot of it, it’s difficult for contractors to obtain expert opinions on advanced technologies because they would expose why they are interested. So, I acted as a surrogate. I was contracted to commission mostly unclassified whitepapers from experts around the globe about where their particular subject areas would be in (the year) 2050 as like a general survey of aerospace futures. I decided this would be the best way to get the best knowledge we had across many technologies without actually exposing why we wanted to know.

So, I let out 38 contracts over a two-year period. I’ll show you what the studies were on. You can read them there: positron aerospace propulsion, IEC fusion as a compact energy source, warp drive, dark energy, extra dimensions, metallic glasses for aerospace use. Really cutting edge kinds of things.

Here are some more of the papers that I commissioned: negative mass propulsion, antigravity for aerospace applications, programmable matter, invisibility cloaking – these are just the kind of things that we needed to have maximum technical input from the best people around the globe. And so, that’s what we did, that’s what I did.

Quote:So let me give you an example of, how this stuff helps people who are chasing these really difficult problems. I’m choosing one here: metamaterials for aerospace use. I’d love to talk about really fancy materials, but they’re classified. However, there’s a lot of materials that have been picked up or provided even in the public domain. I’m going to give an example because it shows exactly what the structure is for how to deal with this. This is an open source sample. It was sent anonymously to talk show host Art Bell. The fellow claimed to be in the military. He said that this sample was picked up in a crash retrieval, and so he sent it by email. So what does that mean? Chain of custody non-existent.  Provenance questionable.  Could be a hoax. Could be some slag off of some foundry floor or whatever. However, it was an unusual sample, so we decided to take a look at it.

Quote:It was a multilayered bismuth and magnesium sample. Bismuth layers less than a human hair. Magnesium samples about ten-times the size of a human hair. Supposedly picked up in the crash retrieval of an Advanced Aerospace Vehicle. It looks like it’s been in a crash. The white lines are the bismuth; the darker areas are the magnesium separations. So the question was what about this material, so naturally we looked in all the national labs, we talked to metallurgists, we combed the entire structure of published papers. Nowhere could we find any evidence that anybody ever made one of these.

Secondly, some attempts were made to try to reproduce this material, but they couldn’t get the bismuth and magnesium layers to bond.

Thirdly, when we talked to people in the materials field who should know, they said we don’t know why anybody would want to make anything like this. It’s not obvious that it has any function.
Well, years later, decades later actually, finally our own science moves along. We move into an area called metamaterials, and it turns out exactly this combination of materials at exactly those dimensions turn out to be an excellent microscopic waveguide for very high frequency electromagnetic radiation terahertz frequencies. So, the wavelength is 60 microns, which is a pretty small size. But it turns out because of the metamaterial aspect of this material, those bismuth layers that act as waveguides can be one twentieth the size of the wavelength, and usually when you make a waveguide it’s gotta be about the size of the wavelength. So, in fact this turned out to be a material that would propagate sub-wavelength waveguide effects. Why somebody wants to do that we still don’t know the answer to that.

... I could cut out more excerpts, but just go read the whole thing! All great stuff!

Further to Hurmanetar's post:

Quote: What happens when you get into a volume of space where the vacuum has been engineered in the way I’ve been discussing? It turns out you get a blue shift. So, in fact the infrared that you don’t ordinarily see can get blue shifted up into the visible so it’s not surprising that all these craft should be so luminous. Now the downside from all of this is the fact that visible light, which doesn’t have any particularly harmful effects, gets blue shifted up into the ultraviolet, so if you get too close to a landed craft, you might get a sunburn, or off into the soft X-ray regions so there’s a chance of radiation poisoning.

(2019-07-18, 05:09 PM)Max_B Wrote: [ -> ]Bismuth and Magnesium have been used together in thin films for making electrical capacitors since... well I can find references going back to 1959 ?

That would make a lot of sense..

What do you make of Puthoff's comment that they didn't know how to get the layers to bond or why anyone would want to make something like this? Are the thicknesses in this sample similar to typical thicknesses for the films in the Mg-Bi capacitors?

If it is actually a piece of capacitor, then why do you think Puthoff would make the comments he did implying it had no known function? Was he playing a trick? Providing an intelligence test to his audience?

(2019-07-18, 10:10 PM)Max_B Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t know... I just noticed that both elements were commonly used in thin films in electrical storage devices.

I’ve asked myself the same question you're asking... do they know they are doing this... are they aware of it... i’m not sure that they are... I used to think they were... but I’ve moved my position to 90%+ probably are not aware... i.e the overwhelming majority of people are not deliberately deceiving... but possibly somewhere along the way - somewhere in their past - they may have made some choice with awareness, some discount, and the next time the situation arose, the discount became so much easier... and reversing it becomes so much harder... after a while different discounts get sort of intermeshed, it’s like you eventually become caught in your own trap... and we often end up surrounding ourselves with people who reinforce the distortions...

I must have all my own distortions, but they are next to impossible to spot yourself... you need an outsider to help... and be willing to let them in to help you... but as you get older it just becomes harder and harder to change... you see what you want to see... your physiology, and your past experiences, past choices are who you are...rarely, somebody decides to change...

But who can say who is in the 90%, and who is in the 10% on any particular issue... and even the propagandist is in danger of starting to believe their own propaganda, so who is on which side, also varies over time.

How this all works is right at the heart of what we discuss on here...

Well it doesn’t seem reasonable to me that Puthoff with a PhD in Electrical Engineering would not have looked into the hypothesis that this is a piece of a capacitor. So I have to assume that either the characteristics of this material differ from typical capacitors in some significant way, or he is saying to us: read between the lines here: I’m not allowed to talk about the really interesting classified meta-materials, so instead I’m going to tell you about a well known material which is a placeholder for the fancy meta material which has the interesting ability to act as a waveguide for terahertz frequencies.

But I don’t know maybe I’m just getting too spy thriller here.

(2019-07-19, 02:08 AM)Max_B Wrote: [ -> ]I think humans can come to very different conclusions about the same data all the time... their physiology, their past experiences influence them (cognitive distortions etc). We’ve developed ways of trying to minimise individual distortions. But it’s tricky to find a balance between individuals and the group.

I remember when I first read the transcript of his speech and reading something about alternating layers, I immediately thought, “capacitor?” but as he continued on saying it had no known purpose or way to manufacture I just assumed it couldn’t be something so obvious.

(2019-07-18, 05:09 PM)Max_B Wrote: [ -> ]Bismuth and Magnesium have been used together in thin films for making electrical capacitors since... well I can find references going back to 1959 ?

Can you post the link to this or where to find this 1959 reference you're talking about?

A new interview with Dr. Jack Sarfatti (or Doc from Back to the Future) where he boasts that he's figured out how the UFOs fly. As far as I can tell, he theorizes that the hull of the ship is a "post-quantum" computer that is a conscious meta-material which alters the speed of light inside the material in such a way as to reduce the "rigidity" of the space-time metric allowing it to be bent or "warped".

That said... nobody knows how to build one. He says that Hal Putoff and Eric Davis have made a lot of progress, but they could use his help.

(2019-08-12, 11:48 PM)Hurmanetar Wrote: [ -> ]A new interview with Dr. Jack Sarfatti (or Doc from Back to the Future) where he boasts that he's figured out how the UFOs fly. As far as I can tell, he theorizes that the hull of the ship is a "post-quantum" computer that is a conscious meta-material which alters the speed of light inside the material in such a way as to reduce the "rigidity" of the space-time metric allowing it to be bent or "warped".

That said... nobody knows how to build one. He says that Hal Putoff and Eric Davis have made a lot of progress, but they could use his help.

There's a lot of interesting statements in this interview that I don't have time to transcribe and discuss, but a few thoughts...

Jack says he's hoping to get an audience with Trump and hoping to get funding and get a team together... says he would like to work with Puthoff and Davis but it has been tough to get support because no one wants to have their name on something with the woo woo factor.

He mentions that he's been in contact with the Russians and hopes that the future belongs to the U.S. and not Russia, but that the Russian government seems to be taking this seriously unlike the U.S. government.

So this leads me to two scenarios:
1) his surface level story is truthful and there is so much stupidity and hubris that we haven't been able to push this forward in compartmentalized SAPs with bottomless budgets for the past several decades.
or
2) The SAPs have succeeded but we can't just bring this stuff straight out into the public for lots of reasons, so there is an attempt being made to get a parallel publicly visible R&D program going to (re) "discover" what the SAPs have already discovered in super-secrecy, and the carrot is the exploration of the stars and the stick is... if we don't do this the Russians or the Chinese or the Iranians will and anyone who has this tech will dominate anyone who doesn't.


Other interesting tidbits... I knew that Dr. Jack Sarfatti was the physicist on whom the character "Doc" was based for the movie Back to the Future, but I didn't know Dr. Jack was an experiencer who encountered a UFO in 1971 which he says told him that it was a time-travelling AI and this spurred him to study both physics and consciousness.

I get what he is saying about the connection between gravity and consciousness and although it doesn't seem to be intuitively obvious, I think that it is the right way to think about it. I'm guessing the team that made the movie Interstellar also grasps the idea as this was sort of a theme of that movie.