(2017-09-30, 03:45 PM)Stan Woolley Wrote: [ -> ]So, put up or shut up. Is that what you're saying? I had already shut up, but Roberta didn't listen to the chief of police! 
I think it's a bit late now, as Vortex has already 'pushed his luck' where Dr Bauer is concerned, and he probably doesn't want to muck him about. Also, I wouldn't want to piss off the founder members of the group, as I think they have generally a sympathetic view to your own.
However, I'm not so convinced that the members of the forum would be so sympathetic, but it would be interesting to see if that's right.
What question would you ask? Along the lines of: Should Vortex be able to ask Dr Bauer about his HIV/AIDS theory in his upcoming interview?
Stan, I contacted Bauer once again, and he agreed to be interview outside of the main interview section. He is a man of tolerance (and irony) and thus can deal with fury of others quite easily. Something that I cannot say of some people here.
It is funny and sad (simultaneously so) how my initiative to interview the Science and Technology Studies (STS) scholar about science and its current problems turned into angry conflict with people who cannot endure being in the close proximity of someone they strongly disagree with. Even if this "close proximity" is a digital one.
(2017-09-30, 06:31 PM)Vortex Wrote: [ -> ]It is funny and sad (simultaneously so) how my initiative to interview the Science and Technology Studies (STS) scholar about science and its current problems turned into angry conflict with people who cannot endure being in the close proximity of someone they strongly disagree with. Even if this "close proximity" is a digital one.
That's rubbish and you know it.
(2017-09-30, 06:31 PM)Vortex Wrote: [ -> ]Stan, I contacted Bauer once again, and he agreed to be interview outside of the main interview section. He is a man of tolerance (and irony) and thus can deal with fury of others quite easily. Something that I cannot say of some people here.
It is funny and sad (simultaneously so) how my initiative to interview the Science and Technology Studies (STS) scholar about science and its current problems turned into angry conflict with people who cannot endure being in the close proximity of someone they strongly disagree with. Even if this "close proximity" is a digital one.
Thanks for the support and effort Vortex.
I guess either I'm not very good at expressing things or I'm up against people with very fixed ideas, probably both. I had it in my mind that you weren't allowed to mention HIV/AIDS for some reason, it seems I was mistaken. Apologies to everyone for that.
(2017-09-30, 06:46 PM)Stan Woolley Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks for the support and effort Vortex.
I guess either I'm not very good at expressing things or I'm up against people with very fixed ideas, probably both. I had it in my mind that you weren't allowed to mention HIV/AIDS for some reason, it seems I was mistaken. Apologies to everyone for that.
Vortex knows perfectly well that nobody has objected to Bauer being interviewed outside the main interview section. He knows that the objection is to the discussion of a particular subject: HIV/AIDS denialism. He knows that the reason for that objection is that HIV/AIDS denialism has killed a great many people. He knows that the moderators have moved discussion of HIV/AIDS denialism to the conspiracy forum section.
It seems to me that it's Vortex who has a problem accepting things that he doesn't like.
Posted by Chris on another thread.
"Yes - I was mistaken in thinking you had specified HIV/AID denialism as the subject of the interview. In the Skeptiko thread you mentioned only "his views" and "his position". You didn't specify what views or what position. (You didn't say anything about his "general positions on science".) It was others in that thread who were keen to discuss HIV/AIDS.
But in any case, if you aren't proposing to discuss HIV/AIDS with him, there's no problem that I can see."
So let's get this clear. There would be a problem if Vortex decided to discuss HIV/AIDS with Bauer? Or did this change?
Stan
No, nothing's changed as far as I'm concerned. If Vortex isn't going to discuss HIV/AIDS denialism, there's no problem. If he is, Ian has just said that should go into conspiracy theories. That's the policy for discussions on that subject, as I understand it.
Ok, so as long as Vortex's interview is held outside the hidden CT forum, he's not allowed to discuss HIV/AIDS with Bauer.
Yeah, maybe some would consider that free speech. I don't.
(2017-09-30, 07:13 PM)Stan Woolley Wrote: [ -> ]Ok, so as long as Vortex's interview is held outside the hidden CT forum, he's not allowed to discuss HIV/AIDS with Bauer.
According what Vortex told us his questions were (which sounded terrific, btw), there's wasn't talk of him discussing his HIV-AIDS theory with Bauer. But personally I would have no problem with him discussing that also, but that section of the interview would go into the CT subforum. So there's no censorship, unless one's definition (strangely, IMO) of censorship includes having part of that content in a different section which is hidden from the public
only to the extent that they don't sign in to view that section. The public has complete freedom to do that, so I don't see the censorship.
(2017-09-30, 07:13 PM)Stan Woolley Wrote: [ -> ]Ok, so as long as Vortex's interview is held outside the hidden CT forum, he's not allowed to discuss HIV/AIDS with Bauer.
I can't understand why that seems to come as news to you. We just had that conversation with Ian, didn't we?
(2017-09-30, 07:13 PM)Stan Woolley Wrote: [ -> ]Ok, so as long as Vortex's interview is held outside the hidden CT forum, he's not allowed to discuss HIV/AIDS with Bauer.
Yeah, maybe some would consider that free speech. I don't.