Not for the first time we see the difficulty in determining when someone is dead.
'Dead' woman found alive in South Africa morgue fridge
Without getting into detail of specific cases, almost certainly this has happened in past centuries too. And yet it is often claimed that no-one has ever come back from the dead. The opposite seems to be the case, it is somewhat of a regular occurrence.
Tim, though you're right that one might reasonably expect an NDE (or ADE to use Sam Parnia's term) to be associated with such circumstances, whether it will ever be talked about is a separate question. It may just remain a private matter, known only to the individual concerned.
(2018-07-03, 04:17 AM)Typoz Wrote: [ -> ]Tim, though you're right that one might reasonably expect an NDE (or ADE to use Sam Parnia's term) to be associated with such circumstances, whether it will ever be talked about is a separate question. It may just remain a private matter, known only to the individual concerned.
Yes, that's probably the case, Typoz. As I understand it, the medical profession has no idea how this can happen. We could speculate that her heart didn't actually stop and that although not detectable, there was some kind of almost imperceivable pulse that supplied some blood to her brain and major organs...or that everything did stop...but the cooling preserved her and she just decided from a spiritual vantage point to come back ?? But even so, it's baffling.
(2018-07-03, 04:31 PM)tim Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, that's probably the case, Typoz. As I understand it, the medical profession has no idea how this can happen. We could speculate that her heart didn't actually stop and that although not detectable, there was some kind of almost imperceivable pulse that supplied some blood to her brain and major organs...or that everything did stop...but the cooling preserved her and she just decided from a spiritual vantage point to come back ?? But even so, it's baffling.
I don't have the medical expertise to comment in depth. But wasn't the case described by Dr Lloyd Rudy somewhat inexplicable? They could not get the heart to start, but after abandoning the task it restarted on its own.
(2018-07-03, 04:47 PM)Typoz Wrote: [ -> ]I don't have the medical expertise to comment in depth. But wasn't the case described by Dr Lloyd Rudy somewhat inexplicable? They could not get the heart to start, but after abandoning the task it restarted on its own.
It was definitely inexplicable, Typoz. Apart from the sterling work of researchers Rivas and Smit , The assistant surgeon told me personally that he didn't have an explanation for it and referred to it as a medical miracle they didn't any answers for. He also said in his long career he'd seen many things he couldn't explain.
Sceptics will simply say that there is always an explanation, it's just that they didn't look hard enough but I don't buy that.
(2018-07-04, 11:31 AM)tim Wrote: [ -> ]It was definitely inexplicable, Typoz. Apart from the sterling work of researchers Rivas and Smit , The assistant surgeon told me personally that he didn't have an explanation for it and referred to it as a medical miracle they didn't any answers for. He also said in his long career he'd seen many things he couldn't explain.
Sceptics will simply say that there is always an explanation, it's just that they didn't look hard enough but I don't buy that.
Here's a case (from a few years ago) where there is a brief mention of an NDE.
Quote:In what may well be an apparent case of near-death experience, Otene said that, “what I remember is that I was in a vehicle and traveled a long distance.
“When I got there,” he added, “there were many people and there was a lot of celebration and merriment and the people were happy. But they did not allow me to stay with them. They said I should go back and repeat my work.
http://dailypost.ng/2015/09/05/benue-man...-mortuary/
Of course the sceptic declares that not only was this man not dead, that there are no other cases at all. Oddly though, he also seems to believe in miracles.
Quote:The Medical Director of Rekiya Memorial Hospital, Kaduna, Dr. Bello Mohammed, reacting to the incident, said, “In the history of medicine, there has not been any case of anybody coming back to life after being certified dead. It is not possible but when you talk of miracle, that is a different thing altogether because with miracle, anything can happen. But if a person is pronounced clinically dead, he remains dead and there is no way he can come back to life, certainly, not after 24 hours. For this case in question, the only medical explanation is that the patient was in a long coma,” Mohammed stressed.”