Would you Like to have an NDE?

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(2017-09-16, 07:27 AM)Stan Woolley Wrote: Thanks Tim.  Big Grin By misguided thinking I am talking about people like Ian McCormack, he as you know, is very convinced that his NDE was all about Jesus. He may be an extreme example, but more and more, I see people talk about their NDEs and instead of remaining open about them, have come to some definite decision about them. I don't see how they can, or if so, that it might be a mistake? 

It was better imo, when nobody knew what had happened to them. At least in one way, because there was no previous bunch of people or videos to 'persuade' them one way or another. Now I see them easily thinking that they're special in some way, when I don't think they are. The ego loves to think it's special, and so may be tempted to associate with this. 

They have had an amazing experience, maybe, but I don't believe that others should suddenly start worshipping them, or they themselves. I have a strong belief that strong belief in things like God can be very destructive!  Halo


"....He may be an extreme example, but more and more, I see people talk about their NDEs and instead of remaining open about them, have come to some definite decision about them. I don't see how they can, or if so, that it might be a mistake? "

Personally it doesn't bother me, Stan.  McCormack's report doesn't trump the broad consensus from the literature, from unassuming, quiet souls who don't go on you tube evangelising. There's no doubt that there's a 'being' (that people feel extremely comfortable with to say the least) that is encountered. I have my ideas on who or what that being might be of course but it doesn't matter because whoever or whatever it is, it just is. 

 "They have had an amazing experience, maybe, but I don't believe that others should suddenly start worshipping them, or they themselves. I have a strong belief that strong belief in things like God can be very destructive! "

I agree. Like in all things, trying to get the balance right is nearly impossible.
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Well, let's break down the logic here. When you have an NDE, two unpleasant things are happening:

1. You are in mortal danger, so there are health issues to take into consideration. Upon returning, they may have been proven too severe to resume a normal life.

2. You will have the most amazing experience of your life bar none, this is indisputable. When you return, however, few people will believe you and/or care about and/or be able to handle what you have to say about it and/or how it changed you. This may lead to isolation and other unpleasant feelings. There's a reason why NDErs greatly benefit from NDE support groups, IANDS meetings, etc. This is the same reason why I, having taken their cumulative message to heart, feel quite the disconnect with society and its contemporary values of what matters.

But if these two things can be overcome, having an NDE under circumstance where you return healthy and can cope with the isolation it might come to entail, then the question essentially asks this:

Do you want to have the by far most amazing experience there is, i.e. a preview of what death entails?

To help us approach this question more generally, it might be worthwhile to ask what those who have actually had the experience and know what it's about reason regarding this question. I've heard some NDErs envious of other NDErs who have had more than one, like they had it as a vacation home or something. And most NDErs seem to be quite thankful for the experience, although there are exceptions. As one NDEr put it, "I would die to have another NDE, that's a corny answer I know but it's true."

So if the general consensus of those who have had the experience is that it is worth having it, I'm quite sure the answer for most should also be "Yes" on purely rational grounds, given that the individual is certain that the above-mentioned hurdles won't be an issue.

So if we in the future could flat-line people with a high degree of precision and safety, having an NDE might one day replace the idea of having a vacation. Like a yearly thing you do, bathing in the bliss of total love.
Chris Carter, therefore Neal Grossman, therefore what deep NDErs have to say, cumulatively.
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Imagine those who have had an hellish NDE - the mental anguish they must have for the rest of their life, believing that's where they are heading!?!
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