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Witnessed something horrible tonight
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I witnessed a dog attack tonight, and it really messed me up. I’ve seen dogs fight one another before, but this was really something else.

I was walking with my son after spending time at the playground and library, so it was after the sun set and getting dark. We picked up some groceries and were walking our usual route. I heard something like screaming. My son heard it too, and we were both like, “What is that?” I thought it might be a cat fight or something. I knew it sounded like animals, and if you have heard cats fighting, it sounds really intense. We kept walking but then I heard people shouting. We were both wondering, “What’s going on?”

Then we came across a horrific scene. At first I thought it was a dog attack on a human, because I saw a woman lying on the side walk. But then I realized she was lying on top of a pit bull, and this other woman was screaming, “Don’t do this to Jack! Don’t do this to Jack!” I realized there was blood everywhere. The woman then started yelling, “Get some water! Get some water! Get the hose!” She was frantic. I then saw what was going on. This pit bull had a small terrier-type dog in a death grip, and I told my son to back up, get away. The woman on the sidewalk was trying to weigh down the attacking dog to keep it from moving, and the family (it was a woman and three of her kids) were trying to get their small dog, their beloved pet, out of his jaws.

I pushed my son up the sidewalk, but then I turned back to see the pit bull start shaking the smaller dog like a rag doll. It was awful. I turned away and pushed my son against a house’s garage and told him not to look. People were yelling and screaming. Blood everywhere. I stood there feeling helpless going through my mind what I should do, but I came up with nothing. I even turned to some dude watching and asked, “What can we do?” He shook his head and said, “I don’t know…. it’s not my dog.”

Finally, they got the smaller dog away, who was bleeding heavily, but they rushed into the house saying they needed to go to the vet NOW. I looked at the pit bull and the woman (owner?) was still pinning him to the ground. I decided we were not going to pass them, because who knows what a dog like that in that state of mind might do. So I got my son and told him we were going home the other way. There was no way I was going to walk past an aggressive dog like this, even if we crossed the street, so we backtracked to another street to get home. I started crying and my son asked me why, and I told him it was because I hate seeing animals hurt. He’s a huge animal lover, too, but when I told him not to look and pushed him against the garage, he didn’t see the worst of it, so he didn’t understand.

I can’t get that woman’s screams of “Don’t do this to Jack!” out of my mind, the pit bull shaking the small dog, and seeing the kids scramble around trying to find water and the hose to save their dog.

I know I’m a big softie on this stuff, and people have seen worse, but it was really upsetting. I felt awful for the dog but felt even worse for the woman and her kids who had to see that. I don’t think the dog will make it, based on what I saw, and I’m sure they are devastated.

Just had to get that off my chest because I’m still upset about it.
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Pit bulls can be really vicious. A friend witnessed a similar attack as you did many years ago, where a large pit bull was going after a poodle puppy, and literally bit it in half. When the pit bull closed his jaws right over the back & belly, of that poor puppy, he bit right through it - and then violently shook the lifeless, mutilated, body with blood and guts flying. An absolutely horrible scene, he said.

The pit-bull was put to death after that, of course. But my friend said he can hardly be near another pit-bull after that.
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(11-08-2017, 10:30 AM)Pollux Wrote: Pit bulls can be really vicious. A friend witnessed a similar attack as you did many years ago, where a large pit bull was going after a poodle puppy, and literally bit it in half. When the pit bull closed his jaws right over the back & belly, of that poor puppy, he bit right through it - and then violently shook the lifeless, mutilated, body with blood and guts flying. An absolutely horrible scene, he said.

The pit-bull was put to death after that, of course. But my friend said he can hardly be near another pit-bull after that.

Unfortunately, pit bulls are popular dogs in my city. I see them all the time. It bothers me that people have potentially vicious dogs without using a muzzle. I'm not even sure if the woman lying on the dog was even the owner or a member of the family trying to stop the attack. It was dark, so we couldn't see too much, except the blood on the sidewalk, and of course the dog shaking the smaller dog, which I shielded my son from seeing. It was awful. I had to turn away myself because it was so upsetting when I saw that.

I had a Siberian Husky many years ago who had a tendency to snap at people trying to pet him, including children. So when I took him out, I put a muzzle on him. I just don't understand why someone would walk a dog in public who has these tendencies without a muzzle or something, anything. It was obvious the small dog was attacked in front of his own home.

I'm tempted to go back to their house and tell them what I saw in case they need to sue the owner over vet bills for what happened. The family was in hysterics, understandably.

FWIW, pit bulls can be really sweet dogs. When I was young (19, I think), I had a friend living in a really shitty situation with housemates in a very, very bad part of town. (Oh the stories I could tell about that....) One of his housemates got a young pit bull. She was very sweet, and I loved her. But then I saw the housemate beating her with a shoe over nothing and all hell broke loose. This guy actually wanted to fight me because I called him out on beating his dog! I'm a woman, btw -- so this guy wanted to fight me because I bitched him out for hitting his dog. It was ridiculous. And my friend (male) came to my defense and it started this whole thing. Totally stupid.

Some people should not be allowed to have animals.
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In the UK, people often don't keep dogs under proper control in public places. Many times when I've been out walking people's dogs have run at me barking. Usually the worst that happens is that they jump up and paw me, but on one occasion a dog took my arm in its jaws. I couldn't call it a bite, but it did leave a bruise.

Trivial compared to the horrific incident related here (though a child or a frail person might  have been hurt). But when people don't have control over dogs. what can they do when a dog turns really aggressive?
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Were both dogs on leashes?
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(11-08-2017, 11:50 AM)Chris Wrote: In the UK, people often don't keep dogs under proper control in public places. Many times when I've been out walking people's dogs have run at me barking. Usually the worst that happens is that they jump up and paw me, but on one occasion a dog took my arm in its jaws. I couldn't call it a bite, but it did leave a bruise.

Trivial compared to the horrific incident related here (though a child or a frail person might  have been hurt). But when people don't have control over dogs. what can they do when a dog turns really aggressive?

My city is very dog friendly, so nothing is really done about it. (Several years ago a woman was killed by dogs in her apartment building, which caused a huge stink and debate.) I have had to teach my kids to NOT pet dogs unless they know them. We have leash laws, but people think it is okay to not have their dogs off a leash because they are "well-behaved." They are still animals and can be unpredictable, so I don't get this logic, as they are putting other people and their own dogs at risk. (For example, a dog sees a squirrel and runs into traffic.) Here, people want to bring their dogs everywhere, including in restaurants. And they don't clean up their poop -- A pet peeve of mine since I have to avoid dog poop every day just walking my kids to school.

I don't hate dogs. But I do kinda hate the entitled dog owner type. The types who bring their dogs to a park that is marked a leashed dog park, but run their dogs off-leash. Why can't they go to the dog park that allows off-leash? So many questions....
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(11-08-2017, 12:16 PM)Jim_Smith Wrote: Were both dogs on leashes?

I've no idea since I came on the incident in progress. It was obvious that the smaller dog was in front of his own home, though.
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(11-08-2017, 12:44 PM)Doppelgänger Wrote: We have leash laws, but people think it is okay to not have their dogs off a leash because they are "well-behaved." They are still animals and can be unpredictable, so I don't get this logic, as they are putting other people and their own dogs at risk. 

Yes. As my grandmother used to say, when something goes wrong it's just "Who would have thought it?" Not much use.
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(11-08-2017, 11:50 AM)Chris Wrote: In the UK, people often don't keep dogs under proper control in public places. Many times when I've been out walking people's dogs have run at me barking. Usually the worst that happens is that they jump up and paw me, but on one occasion a dog took my arm in its jaws. I couldn't call it a bite, but it did leave a bruise.

Trivial compared to the horrific incident related here (though a child or a frail person might  have been hurt). But when people don't have control over dogs. what can they do when a dog turns really aggressive?

Oh, you just reminded me of something else! I'd almost forgot about it. This was when I lived in the country in Texas. NOBODY leashed their dogs then.

We had these neighbors with a collie mix named Cowboy. Cowboy and I had no problems with one another and had played together. I was five, when this happened. One day Cowboy thought it would be funny to terrorize me. We were playing when he got too aggressive, so I tried to leave and go into my house. Every time I tried to leave, he would grab my pants leg and drag me away from the door. Over and over. I got really scared and tried to get away from him, but for some reason this egged Cowboy on. He kept playing the game of not letting me leave, and biting me on my leg and dragging me away from the door. (Remember, I was five, a small child.)

I got more and more desperate and started crying and screaming. At some point he either bit me, or, more likely, I hit my head, because I started bleeding from my forehead and it was getting into my eye, so I wailed and screamed. My dad finally came out, and saw I was bleeding, shewed Cowboy off and told our neighbors (Cowboy's owners) about what happened.

And... I never saw Cowboy again.
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(11-08-2017, 11:50 AM)Chris Wrote: In the UK, people often don't keep dogs under proper control in public places. Many times when I've been out walking people's dogs have run at me barking. Usually the worst that happens is that they jump up and paw me, but on one occasion a dog took my arm in its jaws. I couldn't call it a bite, but it did leave a bruise.

Trivial compared to the horrific incident related here (though a child or a frail person might  have been hurt). But when people don't have control over dogs. what can they do when a dog turns really aggressive?

What about stray dogs, are they a problem in the UK? In Russia, stray dog packs roaming urban and suburban areas are indeed a painful problem, and sometimes a serious threat - they occasionally attack humans, as well as domestic dogs and cats. And there were cases when their attacks were lethal - in my city, some years ago, there was a horrid incident when a young woman had been literally torn apart by an agressive stray dog pack.
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