Vaccines

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(2017-12-14, 10:08 PM)Reece Wrote: It seems you're implying that the diagnoses are increasing but that the disease has always been around, no?

Well, certainly it has always been around. The question is: Why has the number of diagnoses increased in the past few decades?

I sure hope it isn't organic food.

https://www.google.com/search?q=diagnosi...5plKixtDOM:

~~ Paul
If the existence of a thing is indistinguishable from its nonexistence, we say that thing does not exist. ---Yahzi
(2017-12-14, 09:47 PM)Paul C. Anagnostopoulos Wrote: "Vaxxed"? Seriously?

I'm looking forward to that polio thing. That was fun.

~~ Paul

Vaccines didn't get rid of polio FYI.

http://healthimpactnews.com/2011/did-vac...ate-polio/
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(2017-12-14, 10:06 PM)Mediochre Wrote: Collaborative research, testimonials and court cases. What about yours?

People with expertise have access to the same kinds of information, yet they come to dramatically different conclusions.

For example:

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/s...-naci.html

So again, how do you know that the page you linked to presents reliable and valid information?

Linda
(2017-12-14, 10:17 PM)Mediochre Wrote: Vaccines didn't get rid of polio FYI.

http://healthimpactnews.com/2011/did-vac...ate-polio/

How do you know that this is a valid and reliable presentation given that the vast majority of people with the knowledge and experience to evaluate the research come to a dramatically different conclusion?

Linda
(2017-12-14, 10:16 PM)Paul C. Anagnostopoulos Wrote: Well, certainly it has always been around. The question is: Why has the number of diagnoses increased in the past few decades?

I sure hope it isn't organic food.

https://www.google.com/search?q=diagnosi...5plKixtDOM:

~~ Paul
People can look it up for themselves and see if they can buy that "autism has always been around." 

But what is definitely around now is a commercial interest in maintaining that it has been . . . so we get the, "crazy people back then were autistic."  People can even look around at their own life and see how much that adds up.  Growing up, I don't even remember the word "autism" or anyone at all fitting the characteristics of autism.  Probably the first time I met an autistic man was in my twenties, then I met another (younger kid) in my late twenties.  Then, suddenly, they seem to be everywhere by my mid thirties.  Were they simply everywhere before, these "crazy people," who are now more specifically labelled "autistic?"  I think not.  Autism has a very specific, unmistakable (once you know them) set of characteristics.
Regardless of where the conversation/debate goes, I encourage everyone interested to actually watch the documentary themselves.
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(2017-12-14, 10:16 PM)Paul C. Anagnostopoulos Wrote: Well, certainly it has always been around. The question is: Why has the number of diagnoses increased in the past few decades?

I sure hope it isn't organic food.

https://www.google.com/search?q=diagnosi...5plKixtDOM:

~~ Paul

I would add that I hope it isn't organic food, too, because I eat some.  One thing we might ask to find out if it is or isn't, though, is how many parents first noticed their infants/children showing signs immediately after eating organic foods.  Do you have a chart or graph for that?
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(2017-12-14, 10:17 PM)Mediochre Wrote: Vaccines didn't get rid of polio FYI.

http://healthimpactnews.com/2011/did-vac...ate-polio/

Seriously? Health Impact News?

~~ Paul
If the existence of a thing is indistinguishable from its nonexistence, we say that thing does not exist. ---Yahzi
(2017-12-14, 11:10 PM)Reece Wrote: People can look it up for themselves and see if they can buy that "autism has always been around." 

But what is definitely around now is a commercial interest in maintaining that it has been . . . so we get the, "crazy people back then were autistic."  People can even look around at their own life and see how much that adds up.  Growing up, I don't even remember the word "autism" or anyone at all fitting the characteristics of autism.  Probably the first time I met an autistic man was in my twenties, then I met another (younger kid) in my late twenties.  Then, suddenly, they seem to be everywhere by my mid thirties.  Were they simply everywhere before, these "crazy people," who are now more specifically labelled "autistic?"  I think not.  Autism has a very specific, unmistakable (once you know them) set of characteristics.

You're saying you don't remember anyone on the autism spectrum when you were young? Are you sure you understand what the autism spectrum is?

https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/a...ndex.shtml

~~ Paul
If the existence of a thing is indistinguishable from its nonexistence, we say that thing does not exist. ---Yahzi
(2017-12-14, 11:18 PM)Reece Wrote: I would add that I hope it isn't organic food, too, because I eat some.  One thing we might ask to find out if it is or isn't, though, is how many parents first noticed their infants/children showing signs immediately after eating organic foods.  Do you have a chart or graph for that?

Apparently I wasn't sarcastic enough.

~~ Paul
If the existence of a thing is indistinguishable from its nonexistence, we say that thing does not exist. ---Yahzi

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