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My Visions
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I have had two visions around 2012/2013. And yes, I mean "visions."

In the middle of reading a manifesto that went on to change my life, a close relative of mine died unexpectedly and very violently.

In my grief, I wrote in a book of what I thought I “saw” and continued to write in it because I felt strange and alienated.

But, then, I had the visions while in the depths of depression and in the grip of grief. It was not a dream. I had detached from reality.

First, I saw a serpent rising out of the ground, and it had all of this junk attaching to it as it rose — like literal junk. I saw rusted panels and trash attaching itself to the serpent, like it was rising out of a junk yard. And it opened my eyes.

The other vision I had was of people denouncing others. In my vision, I could not see whom was denounced or who was doing the denouncing. I could not make out who it was but if affected me, because I then knew I needed to check myself so that I did not fall into this trap of dehumanizing others.

Just wanted to write this because these were my only visions I've had. And I still think I should trust them, and I just wanted to share.
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Thanks for sharing, Doppelgänger. Your experiences were very intriguing. I hope you will permit a couple of questions.

(10-14-2017, 12:14 PM)Doppelgänger Wrote: First, I saw a serpent rising out of the ground, and it had all of this junk attaching to it as it rose — like literal junk. I saw rusted panels and trash attaching itself to the serpent, like it was rising out of a junk yard. And it opened my eyes.

I don't ask this skeptically - not at all - so I hope you don't take this as a confrontational question (it is actually inquisitive): in what way did this open your eyes? What did it open your eyes to? My instinctive sense is that this was a sort of vision of the luciferian, which is, ultimately, with respect to the divine, "rubbish". Is that the same sense in which your eyes were opened - to the notion that what the demonic has to offer compared to the divine is garbage?

(10-14-2017, 12:14 PM)Doppelgänger Wrote: The other vision I had was of people denouncing others. In my vision, I could not see whom was denounced or who was doing the denouncing. I could not make out who it was but if affected me, because I then knew I needed to check myself so that I did not fall into this trap of dehumanizing others.

I certainly don't want to tell you who is dehumanising whom, and to what extent you should participate, but I wonder whether you would agree that the diabolical/demonic/satanic ought to be denounced, whether or not it manifests as a metaphysical force or in the guise of a human being?
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(10-14-2017, 12:35 PM)Laird Wrote: Thanks for sharing, Doppelgänger. Your experiences were very intriguing. I hope you will permit a couple of questions.


I don't ask this skeptically - not at all - so I hope you don't take this as a confrontational question (it is actually inquisitive): in what way did this open your eyes? What did it open your eyes to? My instinctive sense is that this was a sort of vision of the luciferian, which is, ultimately, with respect to the divine, "rubbish". Is that the same sense in which your eyes were opened - to the notion that what the demonic has to offer compared to the divine is garbage?


I certainly don't want to tell you who is dehumanising whom, and to what extent you should participate, but I wonder whether you would agree that the diabolical/demonic/satanic ought to be denounced, whether or not it manifests as a metaphysical force or in the guise of a human being?

You are probably not going to like my answer. But, after that vision, I went down a rabbit hole of reading critiques of technology. I started reading Lewis Mumford, particularly The Myth of the Machine. Volume two, The Pyramid of Power, especially resonated with me.

The second was looking into Jacques Ellul’s work. His book on propaganda is amazing. But I was particularly interested in his book The Technological Society. Ellul had a colorful history, but he was a self-described “Christian Anarchist” (another rabbit hole since reading about Christian Anarchism looped back to (Christian) gnosticism). Ellul said he thought that technology, or the culture that arose with it, was “The Beast.” He is a fascinating character and philosopher, and he greatly impacted my thinking.

Here is Ellul, which has not been widely known in the English-speaking world, in a film series discussing his ideas. It’s called The Betrayal (or Treachery) of Technology.



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(10-15-2017, 11:17 AM)Doppelgänger Wrote: You are probably not going to like my answer.

Oh, but I did. :-)

Very interesting, thanks for sharing. Can't promise to dig into those resources (watched a little of the vid last night) but am very sympathetic to the idea that technology and the culture surrounding it is "The Beast". Edit: Even as I type that sentence out on a laptop connected to the internet via mobile technology...
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(10-16-2017, 04:57 AM)Laird Wrote: Oh, but I did. :-)

Very interesting, thanks for sharing. Can't promise to dig into those resources (watched a little of the vid last night) but am very sympathetic to the idea that technology and the culture surrounding it is "The Beast". Edit: Even as I type that sentence out on a laptop connected to the internet via mobile technology...

Oh, sorry, Laird. I felt that your opening was a bit of a leading question, and I thought what I was going to say would disappoint you. I apologize for the misunderstanding.

I also realize that I didn't answer the "opened my eyes" bit, but I should probably save that for another post.

But, no, I didn’t think of the “entity” as demonic. My reaction was more neutral, like I was just observing this thing happening.

Then I went down the aforementioned rabbit hole. I do hope you get around into looking into it yourself, or at least find time to watch the videos. Also, you might find Ellul’s The Subversion of Christianity interesting.
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