Thought I'd share a story on here which might be of some interest to those interested in poltergeist phenomenon. Although I believe I may have experienced some other paranormal phenomenon over the years the following event was shared by other witnesses. The experience I had took place more than twenty years ago when I was a student at Edinburgh University. A group of friends, who were flat mates together, had reported a curious incident in their new flat. Two of my friends (Jo and Sarah) were alone and having a chat in the kitchen one night when they heard what sounded like a drinking glass breaking. Naturally they began to investigate the sound but were unable to discover it's source - no evidence of any physical broken glass was ever found. I believe it happened several times throughout the evening and subsequently on other occasions too. Several weeks later I was invited to their flat warming party and another friend and myself found ourselves alone in the front room. There was very little in the way of furniture in the room and so we sat on the floor with our backs propped up against the wall with our drinks, chatting. I decided that I would mention the strange phenomenon which I heard was supposed to happen in the flat - immediately following the comment we heard a glass break quite clearly and audibly in the room. My first reaction was to look down at our own glasses which were completely whole and intact. Visibly shaken my friend got up and walked out the room refusing to talk to me for the rest of the evening. I went to find my friend Sarah and told her that I had heard it too - her words were 'it's so weird isn't it?!'
(2017-09-03, 09:07 PM)Max_B Wrote: [ -> ]Hey, you finally got round to posting that experience, that's great. Didn't you find something out about the history of the property later?
Yes, the property had once been a guest house where a couple who were at the centre of an infamous local murder case had been staying ... always wondered if the sound of the glass breaking was a replay of something that had happened between them ...
There's a chap called Barry Colvin at the SPR who has done some research into paranormal sounds (I think mostly rapping - on tables etc, not the 'music').
(2017-09-03, 09:33 PM)Max_B Wrote: [ -> ]What was the infamous murder again?
The Salisbury Crags murder ...
Ah, this topic is right up my alley.
I grew up in a 2 story house that my paternal grandfather built. My family lived in the second floor apt and my grandparents in the first floor apt. Both apt's had the same layout.
My grandmother slept in the bedroom at the front of the house and my grandfather slept in a bedroom at the rear which was directly below me and my brothers' room.
He died there in, iirc, 1965. I was 10 at the time. For the 2 nights after he passed, I would awake from sleep sometime late at night, to the sounds of heavy furniture being violently dragged across a wooden floor. You know, that really loud screeching noise that happens.
My grandfathers room befit and old world peasant type.... small iron wrought bed and various pieces of old world style furniture along the walls.
The next mornings I'd ask my grandmother if she was possibly moving things around or if she heard anything but she said no.
The other thing that is typical of an 'aural' haunt event, is that while there were sounds of furniture being violently thrown about, nothing was moved...everything was in it's place. Weird!
(2017-09-03, 09:50 PM)Max_B Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.theedinburghreporter.co.uk/20...gs-murder/
That's the one... Amazingly he's actually replied at the bottom of that article!
That is a very strange statement, isn't it? The murderer is surprised that people are still talking about his deed 40 years on. Maybe to those of us who haven't committed murder it seems shocking. But the murderer knows that the action of murder was just one action among billions in a lifetime. I've been listening to true crime podcasts at a steady pace lately. And there is something unique in the mind of those who can take another life.
(2017-09-07, 09:45 PM)Max_B Wrote: [ -> ]Have you had any of your own thoughts about what that is all about..?
Somebody close dies... and over a short period of time afterwards, you awake to noises of violent movement and reorganization related to the deceased's room?
I don't recall being particularly frightened by it, but more like curiosity. As you might say nowadays, wtf
IS that??
When asking my grandmother about hearing it or doing it to the negative, I was just like, 'huh... that's odd'.
I was already reading Frank Edwards books and similar as well as science fiction well before that incident so I was into the whole ufo/paranormal stuff at an early age.
In short, yeah, I was aware that I was witness to some kind of paranormal event.
Not sure if that answers your question or not though
(2017-09-07, 10:09 PM)Max_B Wrote: [ -> ]I agree, It feels cold, and uncomfortable that the murderer can make that statement at the end.
The feeling I get is the sort of sense I get of looking at an alligator etc.
It's like they are going through the motions, but somehow whilst missing their mammalian feelings.
That's the definition of a sociopath after all, isn't it.
(2017-09-08, 09:40 AM)Max_B Wrote: [ -> ]I just wonder if it's the appearance of some mental state in the world which can't become objective, so is only experienced subjectively. It just feels like the violent movements and reorganization tied to your grandfathers bedroom, say as much about the living dealing with his absence, as they do about those who have passed away. I don't mean it was just all in your mind - which it was - but that perhaps you and your grandmother became entwined with your grandfather and his absence during sleep... and the feelings came into the world for you upon waking... I don't know... but clearly your experience is something we don't yet understand that requires some rethinking.
Yes, I think I see where your going. Unless the furniture was actually, physically moved by some unknown agency then put back all in place the next day upon examination of the room, it only follows that it had to be a purely psychological/psychic kind of event.
However, I was awake. The noises definitely emanated from the room below and yet their probably wasn't a physical cause to the event.
My brother, who slept in the top bunk bed, claims he heard the noises as well.
There's been a big resurgence of Vallee's consciousness aspect of the ufo which in turn is connected to all other paranormal type of events.
Maybe there is some sort of malleability ranging from a sort of full on 100% objective 'physicalness', working in concert with the unconscious, to where parts of the physical reality of things start to drop out of the equation. That is, for all intents and purposes, my grandfathers furniture was flung around, but the objective physical cause and effect properties weren't necessary. <shrug> idk
(2017-09-07, 10:09 PM)Max_B Wrote: [ -> ]I agree, It feels cold, and uncomfortable that the murderer can make that statement at the end.
The feeling I get is the sort of sense I get of looking at an alligator etc.
It's like they are going through the motions, but somehow whilst missing their mammalian feelings.
And I keep wondering about his metaphor of the dung-heap. What is the flower that grows there? The murderer's freedom? Where is the bright spot in someone murdering their young bride right after the wedding? Very strange indeed. If this fellow was in your work-place and you knew his history, would you be drawn to him in order to try and plumb the depths of that psyche? I don't think I could resist. Of course we all have dark sides that remain largely unexpressed through action or word.